11th Feb 2012, 17:59

Yeah, maybe you're right, maybe GM should start producing ugly cars like the flawed braking system Prius, and the Insight, both of which look like giant door stop wedges on wheels, that have about the same horse power as a go-cart.

If the Cavalier was such a bad car, that's probably why it lasted from 1982-2004.

12th Feb 2012, 09:26

I never said the Cavalier was a bad car, but it is a forgettable one. Now the Cobalt is the same.

As far as ugly wedge like designs go... In order to achieve the amazing results in mileage you get with the TOP SELLING Prius, you have to cut wind resistance down to a minimum. This means a fairly sloped front that the wind will flow around better.

I know people that get in the 60 mpg range with these cars, and they continue to be a best seller for good reason. They have proven to be more reliable than any other hybrid on the planet.

The braking issue is not as prominent as the media, once again, will lead people to believe. Everyone I know that owns one has no issues with their brakes.

12th Feb 2012, 10:08

"FACT: GM has generated tens of thousands of new jobs."

Where? Post actual sources and actual jobs created... NOT in foreign countries.

"FACT: GM has opened numerous new plants in the U.S., and re-located some out-of-country assembly back to the U.S."

Numerous? List them...

"FACT: GM builds the world's highest MPG non-hybrid car."

By who's actual data? The EPA standards? Not Reality...

"FACT: GM has generated TEN TIMES the amount of the government loan guarantee in new revenues."

GM is still partially owned by the government, so who have they generated the revenue for, themselves??

"FACT: The failure of GM WOULD have resulted in a massive depression, as jobbers that worked for Ford and Chrysler were put out of business, causing them to fail."

Hate to break it to you, but we ARE in a massive depression. And I still beg to differ as GM would have been bought up and run more efficiently by separate smaller companies. Cars would still be built without GM as it is now! You live in fear too much, and listen way too much to media and the oh so honest government.

"FACT: GM is doing more for middle-class Americans than any other industry at this time, with regard to both jobs AND affordable high-MPG vehicles."

How? Please be specific here... How is GM helping me as a middle class American?

"FACT: The batteries in the Volt require THREE WEEKS to overheat and ignite after a MAJOR collision. Anyone still sitting in the car three weeks after a collision would have died already of thirst."

Where do you get your information? Plus they have started fires from their chargers too. Look, the Volt WILL be a failure. They already have to cut $thousands off the price just to sell them, so they lose money on every unit that goes out the door. Again, no one wants to pay that much for this car. I have literally seen only a couple of these on the road, and they've been out for a really long time. I am also in the NYC metro area, so cars like this should sell well, as there is a ton of money here!

"FACT: Hard-working Americans are waking up to who their REAL friends are. That is why GM has topped U.S. sales for a very long time now. Adding jobs and security for U.S. citizens is hardly anti-American."

Oh and their REAL friends are a major corporation that looks at profits before all else, like every other major corporation? Oh come on! GM was run into the ground because they focused on large vehicles, PERIOD! You know why? They are the cash cows that have the highest profit margin, PERIOD! GM pushed all they could with large vehicles, until the gas prices went so high that people wouldn't buy them anymore. They failed because they had nothing good to offer, other than SUV's and large trucks... FACT!! They then asked for government aid to prevent them from failing... FACT!! Now lo and behold, they still are producing many of the same exact large trucks and SUV's they did in 2008 when they failed FACT!! However, suddenly they are the great all American company that builds world class vehicles. Yeah right...

They play upon the average American's short term memory. Seems many people forgot that SUV's were dying on dealer lots, and cars like the Prius had long waiting lists. Even the Smart Car took off like a rocket due to $4 per gallon gas across the country. Hummer failed for this reason FACT! This all occurred way back in 2008...remember?

Now you are telling me this great history of GM, and that the whole country would have failed if they hadn't been rescued? Again, you listen to government and media hype to create fear amongst the masses. GM failed, so be it. We aren't a stronger country because our government is now in the car business. Big business should stand on its own with no support, or it should fail. If your government starts "saving" every large corporation, how long do you think we'll last? Whether or not you think so, that rescue plan drained a lot of our resources, and whether or not they have been replaced, it still majorly damaged the economic fabric of our country. We also have a lower set of standards due to the "no fail" policies set by the government for large businesses. Can you say "Socialism"?

I am sorry you can't see the facts in the right light. Politics and big business don't mix period, end of story. GM is tainted by political agenda now, and virtually everything that is written about them is a fallacy. No one I know really supports them anymore because of the poor quality they have endured purchasing vehicles from them, or the whole "government motors" affiliation they have now become known for.

Patriotism has NOTHING to do with supporting a corporation... NOTHING. Why people continue to make this connection is beyond me. GM is a company looking to make money plain and simple. They will continue to do what it takes, no matter what. If they have to shutter more plants in the US, they won't miss a beat in doing so. The fact is the only reason they are even building anything here is because of the public outcry against foreign plants. It is to help them, not you or I. Citing patriotism or lack thereof based on your choice of car companies is very hypocritical anyway, as nearly every product in your home including the computer you are posting this stuff on is from a foreign country. So why this one industry? Why is this the one that makes you patriotic? See how self serving that claim is?

I will continue to purchase vehicles that prove to be of good value to me. I am not brand loyal, nor do I support all imports or domestics. I simply want to get from point "A" to point "B" with a vehicle that doesn't fail me, costing me unnecessary extra money on top of the payments I am already making. GM is scratched from my list due to my own personal bad luck with multiple vehicles from them.

The sad part is one of the the best vehicles I have ever owned was a GM. I had a '90 Z24 that was close to perfect all of the years I drove the hell out of it. After that, my experience went south... hard. Believe me, I would support GM with all my heart if I could get one of their vehicles to run for even 100K miles with no major issues. It just doesn't happen though. Money is tight already these days, without fixing this, that, or the other thing on a fairly new car that isn't even paid off yet!