10th Apr 2007, 21:03

Bizarre styling on the Accord? What are you talking about? Also you did not take any consideration on how nicely crafted or refined Honda's engine was. I can tell you hands down the Honda engine wins hands down. I have one in my 99 Accord with only 200 hp and its still great at 150,000 miles and still angers the state troopers. I am going to buy a Fusion emblem for my 94 Accord since it looks more sexy than the Fusion.

11th Apr 2007, 12:25

Yeah, I read that too about the Camry and Accord's track times. Thanks for stating it, that should finally silence all of the Fusion owners.

I'm actually looking out at a parking lot full of about 200 cars right now, and GOSH!, I don't see one single Fusion, or one single Taurus, or 500, or Toaster Oven, or whatever it's called this week. I DO however, see about 50 or so Camry's and Corolla's, and probably even more Accord's and Civic's.

I'm not sure who is buying these Fusion's, but I don't see any. Looks to me like everybody's buying the Accord's and Camry's. Oh well, everybody that works here must be brainwashed by the import quality myth.

11th Apr 2007, 17:14

I think comment 12:05 must be referring to the 2007 Camry, which is almost as fast as the Fusion. The 2006 Camry V-6 did 0-60 in over 9 seconds, or about as fast as a 4-cylinder Cavalier or Focus.

11th Apr 2007, 21:08

My "nicely crafted and refined" Honda engine lasted a whopping 90,000 miles before self destructing. None of the 30+ domestics I've owned has ever had an engine failure or any major repairs in up to 300,000 miles.

12th Apr 2007, 08:31

Here's yet another "believable" post. The poster has owned 30+ domestics, which were utterly reliable, but somehow, someway, just happens to own a Honda that is awful. Why did he buy the Honda in the first place? No one knows, of course, but he somehow did.

12th Apr 2007, 08:39

17:14 is making up 0 - 60 times.

The FOUR cylinder 2006 Camry does 0 - 60 in about that time, but the SIX is much faster:

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2006-toyota-camry-1.htm

http://www.toyoland.com/camry/index.html

But none of that matters since you need to compare apples to apples. The Fusion is a NEW model, so you need to compare it to the NEW Camry.

12th Apr 2007, 09:11

Funny you mention that. My girlfriend's family, who live 2000 miles away, bought a Fusion. She asked me what one looked like. After spending a week trying to find one to point it out, we finally ended up going to a Ford dealer to see one.

12th Apr 2007, 12:32

More disinformation from the domestic crowd. Again, here are the ACTUAL numbers:

The '07 Camry Hybrid, the HYBRID, mind you, does 0-60 in 8.9 seconds.

The 2007 Fusion does it in 9.2, while the regular straight gasoline 2007 V-6 Camry blows the Fusion out of the water with a 0-60 time of 6.8 seconds.

The standard V-6 Fusion is not even close to as fast as the standard V-6 Camry.

Every time you Ford guys feel inclined to post false numbers, I am going to correct them with the actual numbers.

12th Apr 2007, 16:17

Can you please tell us which domestic hit 300,000 miles? Was it your Tempo? Contour? Taurus? You know what! It was probably an E-350 or F-250. Yeah those vehicles can pile on some mileage, but anything else in Fords Stable Sable would croak at the sound of that many miles? Not a chance unless you granny drive it. Self destruct Honda at 90k? Sounds like a timing belt on a late to mid ninties Honda... On top of your maintenance pal? I replaced my timing belt on my Honda only twice and it now has 255,000 miles. I have driven it from 200k when I received it as a gift and I am only 20 now... It has taken a lot of abuse and still has only needed a timing belt and a tune up to keep it running. Brakes have over 60,000 miles on them. The other miles before me only needed a radiator/hoses and a timing belt, tires, brakes, etc. Honda reliability is true if you change the oil, TRANSMISSION FLUID! and timing belts/waterpump. I am happy with my Accord and in my stable at home we have new Honda's and they are better than mine in almost every aspect.

13th Apr 2007, 09:48

The 325,000 mile Ford was a 1975 Granada with the inline 6 and automatic transmission. It was driven a long way to work every weekday for 17 years. It never had any repairs except for brakes, hoses, a muffler and a starter.

All our cars receive EXACTLY the same maintenance and treatment. The Honda's CV joints went at around 40,000 miles, brakes needed replacing at 45,000, oil consumption was a quart every 3 weeks at 50,000 miles and the engine blew up at just over 90,000 miles. It was sold to a junk dealer who intended to put another engine in it and sell it.

We then owned a 1990 Dodge Omni that had the 2-litre (non-turbo) 4 cylinder and a 5-speed. That car went 240,000 miles with 2 brake jobs, 2 timing belts and ONE hose. When sold it ran perfectly and used not one drop of oil. I saw the new owner 2 years after selling it and it STILL was running perfectly at close to 280,000 miles.

This has been typical of ALL our domestics. None of them has ever had an engine or transmission replaced or any major repairs of any kind.

Of the 3 Japanese cars our family has owned, only a Toyota Celica made 100,000 miles without major repairs, and it was no more reliable than any of our domestics and had considerably higher maintenance costs.

Due to our experience we simply see no reason to buy anything other than domestics. I know there are rare cases where Japanese vehicles go over 200,000 miles, but I don't want to gamble on getting another one that DOESN'T.

14th Apr 2007, 08:10

Granada? You mean the car that was so mediocre that the only way Ford could sell it was to run an ad campaign saying it looked like a Mercedes?

Yeah, I believe your story. NOT.

14th Apr 2007, 12:03

09:48 Everybody I've ever known that had a Japanese-made vehicle that kept it for a long period of time went well over 200,000 miles with zero major trouble, and some with absolutely no trouble at all. Every single one.

To say that it is rare is to not know what you're talking about. EVERY Honda and Toyota engine can easily do this, and I have a few friends that have Toyota trucks and Corollas that are over 300,000. In fact, one of the ones that just finally got traded in (and had over 312,000 on it) was a '91 Toyota truck that read this on the odometer, and the odometer stopped working four years ago, so who knows how many miles are actually on it, and it didn't even burn any oil.

This is a truck that spent a LOT of its hard life being off-roaded in strip mines and limestone quarries. I know because I was in it a lot of the time. That kind of mileage certainly is EXTREMELY rare for Ford or Chevy, but it's to be expected in a Toyota or a Honda.

In fact, I have a former co-worker that has an '84 Toyota truck that's just about ready to turn 400,000. Granted, he had to replace all of the brake lines and a while back, and it needs a valve job, but I think that's pretty good for a 4-cylinder engine that will probably make it to a half a million miles without ever being opened up.

Don't say that it's rare, because it definitely isn't. It's very common.