21st Jul 2017, 04:07
Maybe agree to disagree? Years back we had a '70 Ford LTD four door hard top. The car was untouched with dual exhaust; straight pipes with mufflers and noise reducers before the downward tips.
21st Jul 2017, 13:20
I agree now. Personal preference and experience doesn't matter to everybody. I tend to buy these older cars as shrewd investments. Many I know have old and new. One half of the garage appreciates, and the other half depreciates. It softens the outlay. You can attend more shows. Classic and newer. The one thing 4 doors have going the majority of the time is that they are cheap. Drive around, hit a cruise. You won't typically have show wins, but you can drive it.
I have a friend with a 57 Chevrolet mint 4 door. With a 6 and 3 on the tree. Single exhaust. He calls it his bad weather car. Drives it when there's a weekend potentially rainfall show. It doesn't win, but he gets to mingle. That's something I fret over. Dirty up the undercarriage and have to detail with that chance. A lot of work.
The rat rods have it easy. I saw a guy eating a meatball sandwich in one. Had a bottle opener installed on the dash. In some ways probably having more fun than the waxer and polisher set. I found my direction a lot of work; almost a job with prep. Anyway, if you like duals, put them on. It is a reversible job if someone prefers stock. The easiest example I had was removing window tint.
21st Jul 2017, 13:27
You need to pay closer attention to which comment you are responding to. 17:28 was replying to 15:55 comment, not yours.
21st Jul 2017, 13:33
"biased opinion"?
Well, yeah. Of course it's biased. That's why it's an opinion.
21st Jul 2017, 17:33
One of the largest sellers in the 60s was the Impala. You could get duals or single exhaust. What's inaccurate? The Cutlass is a mid size, true, but also not all were stock duals either. Nothing inaccurate whatsoever. Wow, what's next, side pipe cars? Headers? Honestly, let's move forward. You could add them on a 4 banger car or truck if it's your dream desire. I wouldn't waste gas racing this car anymore than if it were a Jeep at a light.
22nd Jul 2017, 14:14
So, your argument is that because dual exhausts were available as an option on the Impala, that means most full size four door models from that era came with dual exhaust from the factory? Really?
"Let's move forward" = can't come up with any factual basis to support a statement so don't want to talk about it anymore.
23rd Jul 2017, 12:47
You don't have to own these cars as one commenter has illustrated. But it sure adds a higher degree of credibility and experience.
My beef is someone that disagrees and you were an actual owner of many of these cars over many years. Certainly if you physically own and walk around back and pull down the license plate to fuel, you see exhaust pipe or pipes sticking out. Then count how many. Most can either see just the one or even two with even the same model line up.
I was driving in the 60s as well. New cars. And I will also say this from experience. The later 60s cars were very modern compared to the ones I drove from the 50s. The 50s cars were all within 10 years of age then. You could really see the advances in starting, driving and handling to a late 60s car. That was more pronounced in my opinion than cars 10 years apart today. No more 6 Volt positive ground, vacuum wipers, terrible drum brakes etc. Even the locking mechanisms and keys stunk in the 50s. You would hit a bump and they did float for quite a number of seconds. The bench seats were usually horrible. I drove a 57 2 door Chevrolet 283 recently that I could have picked up for 28k. Beautiful car. Always liked the looks, but driving it in 2017 has now turned me off. Bench seat sinking way into the springs, and the large steering wheel was like driving a truck. I forgot or have become more attuned with being spoiled with nicer newer cars. Still like the late 60s and early 70s. Even some of the older luxury cars have bad seating positions and are dated.
23rd Jul 2017, 15:02
14:14. I am 17:23. I agree with you. Some other guy did the random sweep, all full size cars comments. That's far from true. In fact here's another one he probably doesn't know. Often the way you ordered the engine displacement was how you even got the dual exhaust. Some engines had higher horsepower in the same cu in. I ordered a lot of new cars, likely before that commenter was even born. He likely never saw a new order form from the period of this car then is my comment. Also buying used cars you would miss that. The only car I changed the exhaust position option from rear dials to side exhaust. But a sports car, not a full size.
Here's a cool trivia piece. My relative ordered an AAR Cuda. The dual exhaust exited before the rear tires. The pipes were in the trunk as they would not clear the car carrier transport. So a dealer install even though a new car. The conversation is drifting off, but I agree with you 100 percent. You read my comment wrong as I am not that random commenter.
24th Jul 2017, 00:01
So now you're saying that there actually was dual exhaust on various 4 door fullsizes. Even if ordered that way, it's still from the factory. If that's the case, this argument should have never come about.
24th Jul 2017, 00:25
Some cars also had resonators. So there's validity. Exhaust too loud that was the second set on a car. Not common, but came stock in a select few cars. The only Ford I would personally ever buy is a late 60s Fastback. Never been a fan.
24th Jul 2017, 12:50
That's correct, you should have never said most full sizes had dual exhaust. And are you arguing, as I never get emotionally upset over automobiles. I remain cool on many car conversations, especially doing well over 30 years of showing cars. Most from this 60s, early 70s era. Often people, even passersbys, become authenticators or so they think. What's correct and what is not. I actually corrected my dual exhaust orientation once on my 69 Camaro SS. I ordered the correct turned rear bend exhaust system. The other was perfect, but affected me with stringent judging. This sure is a topic that you are really enamored on. What vehicles (year and model) do you have with dual exhaust? Or is this from a library book? In some cases the research of even an author can come into question. Having a build sheet is not always possible, but it's great to have. In many cases serial numbers do not tell all. Anyway, what's your car with the duals to dwell on so much?
20th Jul 2017, 22:26
Yes! You are so right, it's my favorite part. Darn, you're really on to me now. By the way a Cutlass is a midsize, the discussion here is full size. Just so you know, I prefer 2 doors myself, in fact both of my GM classics were coupes, but yet I happen to respect all classics, doesn't matter how many doors. If a 1964 Sedan DeVille for example pulls up next to me, they will get a thumbs up because they have something that stands out and is appreciated by the owner.
This all started when somebody randomly recommended dual exhaust on the topic-ed Delta 88. Then came the biased opinion to leave it alone if it's a 4 door. If somebody wants to put an exhaust on one, big deal. It's not the end of the world.