16th Sep 2007, 11:09

20 ENGINE FAILURES... ARE YOU DREAMING? HERE IS A PETITION OF TOYOTA OWNERS WHO EXPERIENCED SLUDGED ENGINES, ASKING TOYOTA TO TAKE ACTION:

http://www.petitiononline.com/TMC2003/petition.html

THERE ARE A LOT MORE THAN 20 FAILURES. IT LOOKS A LOT MORE LIKE AN EPIDEMIC TO ME.

"Why don't you mention the THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THOUSAND Grand Cherokees that were just recalled recently? Did that one slip by you?"

PROBLEMS WITH ANY VEHICLE ARE BAD, REGARDLESS OF MANUFACTURER. I WILL NOT MAKE EXCUSES FOR JEEP, OR ANYBODY ELSE. BUT, HOW ABOUT THE 2.2 MILLION VEHICLES RECALLED LAST YEAR FOR TOYOTA? DID THAT ONE SLIP BY YOU? HOW ABOUT THE FACT THAT TOYOTA WAS THE INDUSTRY LEADER IN RECALLS LAST YEAR... DID THAT ONE SLIP BY YOU TOO?

"Here's another fact: the Tundra is a better truck than anything Ford, GM, or any other manufacturer has yet dreamed about making, and Toyota is the highest quality manufacturer of cars and trucks anywhere on the planet."

OH REALLY?

16th Sep 2007, 12:22

11:09, Yes really. Check your 'facts' again. GM, Ford, and Dodge each had more vehicles affected with recalls last year, in fact in any year, than Toyota ever has. NUMBER of recalls, and # of affected vehicles are two different things. Toyota is still the best.

16th Sep 2007, 12:26

Tacoma man, I've said in several past comments, that the domestics have had more recalls than the imports to this point. But I have also said that the domestics have produced and sold much more than the imports over the past 20 years.

The 3.3 million engines recalled for engine sludge is just foreshadowing of what will happen to Toyota as it takes GM's place. These people are not perfect beings, and they will start to make mistakes and corruption will set in as it did with the big three. When the imports get their chance to mass produce in the numbers that the domestics have done for decades, they too will have recalls out the wazoo.

How does a Toyota take abuse better when it has a thinner chassis? What is this abuse? Oh yeah, you're "flying" through the air. Your Tacoma is light and no one ever buys one to pull massive amounts of weight or to haul massive amounts of weight. Why don't you name some numbers of pounds that you have moved with your big, tough Tacoma? Oh, that's right, you've pulled 3,500 pounds. Ooooooooh, such abuse. How does it do it? I bet a washing machine sitting in your bed would also be considered abuse.

The late 90's Tacoma's didn't sell near at what the domestics sold 10 years ago. Of course there are more domestics trucks in the junk yard, some of them are actually used for work, and millions more have been produced over that past century. Don't you know that Ford has made 48,000,000 F-150's since the 1940's? There's probably barely 1,000,000 Tundra's on the face of the Earth, yet there are 47,000,000 more F-150's on the planet, and you wonder why there are more in the junk yard?

Your Tacoma doesn't scare me nor does it impress me. It's a tiny truck that weighs as little as a car that has nothing underneath it to re-enforce it. I don't care how many miles you have on it or how much it is worth. The value of imports is driven up because the general public listen to idiotic commercials, and are too clueless to ever look underneath a truck (or car) and see what is holding it together.

As I have said before, I can drop my plastic Radio-controlled monster truck from 10 feet in the air and not break one thing on it. That doesn't mean it's tougher than a life-size truck, that means it is lighter. If the "abuse" you are putting this Tacoma through is flopping through the air, then being light and having thin metal components is an advantage, but does not make it tough.

16th Sep 2007, 13:16

20:38 Yeah, OK. A domestic truck that runs for 30 years on its original drivetrain.

Even if you put only 15,000 miles a year on, that's 450,000 miles in 30 years, and most people put on more miles annually than that. It would take about 5 Fords or Chevy's to get that many miles in 30 years.

See, the thing is, people buy Toyota's to actually drive them every day. It's not a '79 Chevy truck that has sat in a barn under a tarp for 25 years, and then you claim how good of a truck it is.

16th Sep 2007, 23:48

Edmunds.com has an interesting evaluation of 2007 Silverado, Tundra and Titan pick-ups. I think this re-affirms that almost all of the 2007 pick-ups are quite good.

17th Sep 2007, 13:04

Hmmm...who won the 2007 Motor Trend Truck of The Year Award? Seems likes it was the Chevy Silverado... NOT the Tundra! One might also ask that if the Tundra is so great, why then do each of the domestic truck makers sell more than Toyota?

17th Sep 2007, 19:02

"NUMBER of recalls, and # of affected vehicles are two different things. Toyota is still the best."

Regarding # of affected vehicles, Toyota recalled more vehicles then it sold in 2005. That's not good for an auto maker many of you proclaim is infallible. Certainly the American automakers are not infallible either, but I have not seen anybody make that claim.

At the end of the day, it is still Toyota having massive engine failures and doing public mea-culpas as the precarious myth of their quality is shattered. I feel sorry for anybody who has a late model Toyota, including a number of friends of mine who have lost thousands of dollars watching in astonishment, as the Toyota's they had been convinced were beyond reproach, self destructed before their eyes.

18th Sep 2007, 13:19

I may be wrong, but a Tacoma owner with a 200,000 mile vehicle may not be able to afford a loaded Silverado F250 Series to even comment with first hand ownership.

I am not able to comment on a Tacoma, only a Tundra I test drove and then bought a fully loaded Silverado to date with zero repairs... oil changes and filters only. Great truck and I highly recommend one.