28th Sep 2007, 10:37
16:59,
If you had actually read my entire comparison, you would see that the comparisons are between a F-150 and a Tundra. An F-150 and an F-250 are not in the same class, so why should you expect me to make a comparison between a Tundra and a F-250, or 350, or Semi truck for that matter?
The point being that at this point in time, Toyota makes a F-150 class truck, which at this point is actually more powerful and in many industry writer's opinion more durable.
If Toyota decides to make an F-250 class truck, then perhaps we can compare the two. But at this point in time, Toyota has trumped the F-150. We can go on and on about some massive, huge, dually monster truck that gets 6 MPG and hauls freight trains all day long, but that really doesn't prove anything.
28th Sep 2007, 10:47
Who makes the best car has no bearing on a full size truck review. Simply put Tundra not have a full size truck capable to haul and tow my requirements... are we buying a smaller truck anyway even if it cannot perform? Why the continual car comments or light version truck comparisons. I would have no warranty if I bought a Tundra as they would see it as abuse no doubt... I need strength,3/4 ton which the domestics have and I feel they are far superior.
28th Sep 2007, 12:26
18:27:
And of course you're still oblivious to the GAINS the domestics have made in quality.
Shall we take a look at JDPower again?
Toyota actually fares very well with 4/5 stars. But lo and behold, Chevy has 3/4, the same as ACURA, more than Nissan.
So surely GM can't be making the junk you claim they are.
Look at something else.
http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2007130
BUICK IS EVEN WITH LEXUS in reliability.
3 of the top 5 in reliability ARE DOMESTIC.
Must be another one of those flukes, right?
So no matter how often you repeat that we'll all be winding up driving Japanese soon, it's not going to happen, because clearly there are better choices.
28th Sep 2007, 14:31
Too funny! It's "If I believe it, then it must be a fact!" You must be angry that Toyota has peaked, and people are realizing that Ford and GM are offering superior cars.
28th Sep 2007, 20:18
How about a new Silverado 3/4 ton diesel; just added a chip and easily get 20 mpg cruising on the highway. Is not a 1 ton dually and the deed restrictions in my new community allow under 1 ton without issue....... The ride is quite smooth, the engine, drivetrain, frame are not maxed out. I really have noted a direct advantage with my latest truck and its versatility, and its fuel costs are not at all unreasonable. Considering a 3/4 ton is quite significant when shopping 1/2 ton models if you plan on utilizing one fully.
29th Sep 2007, 07:19
14:31 You see, the difference between my comment and yours is that mine is true, and yours is not. In case you don't know this, just telling someone they're wrong doesn't mean that they are actually wrong, especially when they have facts to back it up.
Let me guess...'WHAT facts???' Go back through and read some of the intelligent pro-Toyota peoples' comments. The facts are there, and they are correct. Then you'll see a string of comments by Ford and Chevy owners who can't decipher fact from opinion telling them they are wrong. Pretty funny.
29th Sep 2007, 08:42
6:55, It's funny you say that, because I feel the same way about Toyota and Honda. If somebody GAVE me one, I wouldn't even want to drive it enough to trash it in the cornfield. Even though it would be fun to beat that pathetic piece of crap to death over the course of a couple of hours. That is, if it even had enough power to break itself, which I seriously doubt.
No doubt the engine would simply seize up after the aluminum block got hot, and the fun would be over before the axles, transmission, or steering gear had a chance to finish flying apart. But instead of that, I'd put it up for sale, and when some starry-eyed import fan like you paid me top dollar, I'd go buy something good, in other words, a new American vehicle.
29th Sep 2007, 18:28
17:54 I test drove a new Tundra first and bought a new GM Silverado the same night on my test drive as well. The Silverado cost more, but I liked it much more as well. Very nice to drive and is more comfortable.
29th Sep 2007, 18:57
12:26 Thank you for proving my point. Toyota is still rated better than anything else. And yes, your beloved Buick is a fluke. Lexus has held that spot for THIRTEEN straight years, and Buick got lucky enough to get there ONCE. I think I'll stick with the company with 13 in a row.
Really, I don't have a problem with Buick. They're not a Toyota, but they're still decent other than being dull as a bowling ball to drive. Any company that doesn't make a stick shift is geared toward older people, and that's who drives Buicks. Just don't make me laugh by trying to tell me that any pathetic scrap-heap Ford or Chevy is in the same ballpark as a Toyota. That would be ridiculous.
30th Sep 2007, 15:12
08:42 In reality, the imports DON'T break the way you described, and the domestics DO. That is why (again, in reality!) imports ARE worth more used after a few years; because unlike a Ford or Chevy that would be a rattling, broken, leaking scrap heap, the import will still have lots of life left in it, therefore being worth more than the domestic automobile, whatever it is.
Simply look in a Kelly Blue Book at used car values and it will clearly illustrate what I've just said.
1st Oct 2007, 10:42
"BUICK IS EVEN WITH LEXUS in reliability."
- Ironic since the models reviewed are now Buick models that are no longer even manufactured because that platform was discontinued. Again - this report is of - read it - INITIAL quality. I don't care about initial quality. I care about long-term reliability, which even now, Buick is at the very best mediocre.
The new Buicks are built on the Zeta platform, which was entirely engineered not in the USA, but Australia. Ironic because they are about as far from being an American engineered car as a BMW these days.
28th Sep 2007, 06:55
17:54 Well, that's a perfect example of the decision making process of anyone that would buy a Silverado before a Tundra. They ride smooth and therefore they must be a good truck, so they buy one. Only to find that it's worth nothing after about 3 years, and 5 or 6 years later that good old GM quality (or lack of it) shines through and everything starts to break. Shortly after that their low quality body assembly becomes evident; the tailgate sticks or won't shut, the doors sag and don't line up right, the fenders rattle, etc.
I know a person who's power windows on a new GM stopped working, he took the driver's door panel off himself, and there was a crushed beer can inside the door. Good old GM quality control. If you GAVE me a GM truck, I'd drive it to the nearest cliff and push it off. (Assuming it would get me that far without breaking down).