1st Oct 2007, 14:34
Price and fuel economy are car issues however function and capability are more important when buying a full size truck... otherwise a little truck and little car can accomplish your goals. The warranty is better on my Silverado and my truck rides and performs better than Tundra.
1st Oct 2007, 15:12
I want to add that people seem to go crazy and say well, my car is not worth anything, but I do not care since I am never going to sell it. I never hear anyone say anything about receiving money from insurance for a new vehicle. I know of people who have had GM, Fords, or Hyundai's who have gotten into accidents only to recieve payment less than half of what they owe on their loan. Even if you are a perfect driver, someone is bound to run into you.
1st Oct 2007, 19:02
OK, let's say Toyota is all hype and myth. They still last longer than anything else, so I guess I'd rather drive a myth than something proven to be flimsy junk over and over again, like Ford or Chevy. I'll take the company behind the myth.
1st Oct 2007, 20:28
14:34 Actually it is your opinion that the ride is better in the Silverado, and it is a fact that the Tundra will outperform it.
2nd Oct 2007, 21:02
15:16 Don't tell the Ford guys that! They still think cast iron blocks are the best choice. They are, if you're driving an air-cooled 1952 farm tractor. Did you Ford guys catch that about the Duratech? Even Ford is beginning to catch on the technology Toyota and Honda have been using for decades. Better late than never, I guess.
3rd Oct 2007, 10:55
"Look at the report again. It's not initial Quality. It is long term."
In their "long-term" report, it is for 3 years... which I assume is far less than what most people actually own their cars. Again- not really much of a report if you're comparing what are essentially brand-new cars.
3rd Oct 2007, 12:22
You hardly see Toyotas from the seventies that haven't rusted apart. I have a 38 year old Camaro SS mint condition.
3rd Oct 2007, 12:23
To those who point out the aluminum Ford Duratech:
The duratech is not used in the Ford trucks. It's used primarily in their non-work oriented vehicles. No one said that every single car in their portfolio has an iron block.
To the other person who pointed out the long-lasting nameplates of asian manufacturers:
You forgot about the Toyota Crown and the MR2 as well. Whoops. What about the Honda Passport, Del Sol and the Insight? My point is, if you're going to try and make the domestics look bad, be balanced enough to include all of the pieces of the puzzle.
3rd Oct 2007, 15:44
21:48 you could fill volumes with domestic vehicles well beyond the limited few listed still being made... at the current rate of recalls and engine/transmissions failures with imports I suspect there will be a lot of new rows in junkyards. My 2002 Acura is certainly destined to be in one.
3rd Oct 2007, 16:02
21:48 Nice work there. I guess that proves that GM and Ford cars stay in production just long enough for people to realize what a disaster they are. Then GM/Ford discontinue it and spend a ton of money marketing their latest piece of junk. At Ford, quality is job 16.
3rd Oct 2007, 16:09
18:33, Again, all opinion, except for the part where you admit the fact that the Toyota outperforms the Silverado. And don't worry about the transfer case. It won't scatter like a GM would and often do. It's a Toyota.
Got to give you credit for at least recognizing and admitting to at least one fact, which is more than most domestic owners here are capable of doing. You can call this opinion if you like, but there is no chance is Hades that a Silverado handles better than a Tundra, unless you favor sloppy Buick-like handling.
3rd Oct 2007, 18:03
10:42, where do you get your facts?? Currently, there are 0, count them, 0 cars produced by Buick on the Zeta platform.
4th Oct 2007, 11:59
To 11:06 :
Nice comments. But by that same logic you could say GM was #1 Worldwide because of Quality.. and are still #2 Worldwide because of it. Because surely if they produced junk they wouldn't be in that position.
I drive a 20 year old Benz. Now that's quality. The only weak part in the car is the AC, and it's from DENSO, a Japanese supplier.
4th Oct 2007, 13:08
16:09 I do not own Motor Trend...that's directly taken off their current Tundra... Silverado review. I drove both and bought the Silverado and then added performance upgrades. I am unbiased and buy what handles, hauls and tows the best as a full size truck. If you are into strictly straight line performance I would buy a Tundra if that suits you.
4th Oct 2007, 14:12
Someone mentioned the MR2 and Insight being discontinued, but I think that is because they were speciality vehicles. However, dumping of the Passport and Crown proves that something went wrong in Detroit and that is that the cars were so bad that they had to change the name, and that is why we have the Fusion and the Lucerne right now.
Also, the Ford's that are using aluminum engines probably work harder than those of the big Fords, since they have to put up to abuse by the police, rental fleets, government fleets, etc. The fleet Ford trucks around my area just sit on the side of the road with flashing lights on them while the workers do bridge inspections... not towing large items...
4th Oct 2007, 17:17
Boy, an interesting conversation we got goin' here!
I thought I'd add something beneficial to how NOT so great Toyotas really are.
I work for a company called C.O.A.T, a flagging and supervising company. We recruited 5 new Tundras, with the 5.7, to tow our massive loads back and forth between job sites, usually about 1 mile or so, many times a day. Now, don't get me wrong, they are very potent trucks. Potent that is, until they started breaking. All the trucks have UNDER 1000 miles on them, and 2, yes TWO of the five have already broken down. The first one, a co-workers, snapped its camshaft while towing a trailer and a loaded bed up a grade to a rail unit where it was needed.
Now, mind you, this IS a dangerous work site, and having 10,000 pounds of metal and equipment barreling back down a hill isn't exactly something that is welcomed with open arms, nor is it a pretty sight. Since the engine wasn't running, there was very little brake pressure to stop, but fortunately there was ample open roadway behind him to stop.
This was 2 weeks ago, and my supervisors are already doubting these new "tough" Tundras.
The second fault, another co-worker of mine, was something minimal, but rendered it unusable.
As of now, we are running on 4 Toyotas, and one of our old fleet's F-350s, while the other Tundra is getting repaired. I'm sure you're going to say, "well this was a freak incident and I'm sure you're grossly exaggerating the real scenario." But, I'm not. Our old fleet of Fords never let us down, but they did have a few minor errors as the mileage started to climb past the 50,000's of towing/hauling.
Freak incident or not, a truck with less than 1000 miles does not have the right to have this severe of a breakdown, and possibly endanger lives. Had this accident happened a mere 1 hour before it did, the roadway behind my co-worker would've been full of busy motorists before it was closed, and the result of that truck and trailer rolling down the grade would have caused major damage and lawsuits.
For a company as "great" as Toyota, this is absolutely unacceptable. ANY company for that matter.
Especially during this first-term trial as new construction site, company vehicles.
As far as I'm concerned, this settles the debate about whether or not the new Tundra is superior to the new domestic trucks.
1st Oct 2007, 12:24
To 29th Sep 2007, 18:57.
Actually you're wrong. Buick is still rated better than Toyota and Buick has the same reliability as Lexus.
And by the way Scion (another toy) is rated 3/5 stars for overal reliability. The same as chevy. :)
Adios Myth.