5th Oct 2007, 12:38

TO 14:12 and the rest that think that dumping a car name = bad quality.

It has always been common to give a car on a new architecture a new name.

Just look around at all the other brands.

6th Oct 2007, 05:59

I would think that a Toyota dealership would not ethically lease 5 new Tundras without asking what fleet vehicle history the company has utilized. And certainly they would ask application and towing needs... I would immediately return and not let this matter drop. Our company also utilizes new large Fords for this very reason. Even the Toyota commenter picked up on this being the wrong vehicles. Less than 1,000 miles and in the shop is time to pursue this matter.

6th Oct 2007, 12:18

21:00 Well, guess what? Given Toyota's commercials exaggerating the toughness of their new Tundra, I think that their intended target audience is pretty well defined. On the surface, it appears to me like they're looking for the attention of contractors and guys on serious worksites.

Even if I'm wrong, your statement makes a point that many other defenders of Domestics have been making all along. The new Tundra is marketed toward and intended for macho suburbanite males who want to "play tough." You know, the ones who stand around the office water cooler bragging about towing numbers they heard about on a commercial. You know, the ones they don't use for anything more than moving a picnic bench on a weekend. Yeah. Those ones.

Sir, it looks like you've argued yourself and your Toyota defenders right into a corner.

6th Oct 2007, 23:11

05:59 It's not the responsibility of Toyota or any of its dealerships to do anyone's thinking for them. No one should spend 30 or 40 thousand dollars on a vehicle, and then realize later that it doesn't satisfy their needs. If you need to haul an extremely heavy load around everyday, buy an F-350 or a tractor trailer. Again, that's not Toyota's venue. For the other 99% of people on the planet that utilize use a truck the way most people do, you cannot and will not buy a better truck than a Toyota.

All Chevy trucks are junk, given their performance, that should be common sense at this point. The F-150's days are over. It was never a good truck, it has only sold well by default.

Toyota has clearly built something a lot better. Go ahead and cite Tundra recalls. For each one of them, I'll gladly list ten of the nearly countless embarrassing recalls and safety issues that Ford has had.

7th Oct 2007, 12:24

23:11 that is certainly never the way to develop a long term relationship with a customer. I would expect technical expertise and excellent customer service before and after the sale even if one is not acquiring multiple new trucks as a fleet purchase. Perhaps a few simple questions on the exact applications the trucks will be utilized for would have seemed prudent in my opinion. A savvy salesperson should immediately know if the vehicles are not suitable if they do their job. I shudder when I think of some selfish salespeople that possess immediate gratification before the needs of a customer. Now the first Tundra which is almost new is already in a bad way. We have recently replaced a rear of one of our full size trucks (2003 GM) that routinely tows concrete mixers and trailers at 100,000 miles which is not as totally unacceptable as a Tundra at 1,000 miles. It will be interesting to see how and if this customer is attended to now at this late stage.

7th Oct 2007, 17:17

12:24 Car salesmen just want to sell cars, and none of them care about you in the long term, no matter what kind of cars they sell. Salesmen that sell Ford and Chevy products should be shamed every day that people are paying that kind of money for that poor of a product. I couldn't sleep at night. And if a Toyota breaks under the same treatment as a Ford/Chevy, then that surely is an exception to the rule.

8th Oct 2007, 15:28

I buy 2 new vehicles at a time and find new GM's far superior in quality and warranty. I slowly saw the service drastically diminish on my imports. Not caring I switched. I was pleasantly surprised to find only filter changes to date instead of drivetrain issues as in the past. Dealers better care if they want repeat business. Honda and Toyota may or may not miss my small amount amount of their total business every 2-3 years... my GM female salesperson has been exceptional with follow up and I have saved a lot on repairs on my imports.

8th Oct 2007, 17:18

21:00.

So if in the commercial, the Tundra can drop-haul 10,000 pounds, why shouldn't it be able to run with a combined weight of 10,000 pounds, in the bed and trailer?

You're basically saying its OK for a truck with 691 miles on it to severely break down? Boy, you're really something.

We bought these trucks to do one thing, WORK. HARD WORK. If they can't take the pressure after only 1000 miles or less, they are flat out JUNK. Now there's an interesting concept, huh? A Toyota, junk? Not anymore. If you want to compare different classes of vehicles for the work we do, then you must consider a Toyota Camry vs. an F-250, because that's about how our old Fords make the Tundra look. From what these trucks have shown me already, we might as well be working with Camrys, not a "tough" Tundra.

I'm growing sick of people making excuses for this brand, especially with comments like that that were made in argument for my post regarding our trucks.

This proves how biased you really are, and how quick to yelp with your tail between your legs, all because someone proved you wrong.

Well, too bad Ford, Chevy, and Dodge obviously make better built, TOUGHER trucks than Toyota ever will.

We will be getting our truck back in 3 days, so we'll see how well this one holds up.

And in correction to my last post, I accidentally put "350" instead of 250. So our trucks were NOT 350s, they're F-250s.

8th Oct 2007, 22:00

1717 should start shopping elsewhere or only buys vehicles rarely. I would however like to drive by my local import dealer and show them my newest all cash domestic vehicles they recently lost. If they listened to my service problems they would sleep better at night. I have twice the warranty and less repairs to date at same mileage.