12th Oct 2007, 19:31

Again facts.

A 350 with a Flowmaster exhaust sounds amazing. You are obviously tone deaf. Where is your support for saying that it "should have" had 2 or 3 transmission replacements and engine rebuilds? Where did you get that?

Perhaps you should open your eyes and ears some more, and look at all the 80's domestic trucks still driving around, in peak running condition. Because around here, in Washington, that's all there is. Here in my redneck town, you can see one of those things caked in mud or towing a trailer, and if you strike up conversation with an owner, you will find that they have made no repairs to them. Why? Because after the hell and back they've been through, they continue to run perfect. It's because their that tough.

So, we're "assuming" here that you see the complement of this, your roads being crowded by so many "rust free" 80's Toyotas?

I believe you should be the one worrying about your early Toyotas and how many are still left.

12th Oct 2007, 22:22

18:30, So you've had MANY imports; and NEW ones at that, recently? You obviously prefer domestic vehicles, yet you expect us to believe you've owned "many new imports"? And more than one of them had sludging problems? If any prospective Tundra buyers reading here are actually swayed into buying a domestic truck by a comment like that, then they deserve the misfortune of driving a Ford or Chevy truck.

13th Oct 2007, 05:47

19:31; That's all there is, huh? Mostly mid '80's Chevy trucks still running around? In 'peak' condition? Ha ha. Peak condition for Chevy is a very low 'peak'. Look, I also live in a little hillbilly town, have all my life. I see a few of these trucks around too, and I know who drives them. Gearheads; and I'm not saying 'gearhead' as an insult. Guys who love to work on trucks, and that's why there are some old Chevy's left. I have a few gearhead friends, and every time I see them, they're laying underneath their truck, or under the hood, fixing something broken. The guys with the Toyota's simply drive them, and if something breaks, it's NEVER the engine or drivetrain, usually something in the suspension from jumping the damn thing over and over.

I agree, a Flowmaster exhaust sounds nice on any V-8 you put it behind. But the 350? No. Just about everybody I know with a 350 and any amount of high miles on it has rebuilt it, or it needs rebuilt, and burns oil like a furnace. Why do you think GM parts are so cheap and plentiful for a 350? You have to work on them all the time.

As far as the rust issue goes, Toyota had major problems before 1989, after '89, they are as good or better than anything else. They salt the roads here in PA, and my 10 year old Toyota truck doesn't have so much as a speck of rust anywhere. These old Chevy's are usually so full of Bondo that a magnet won't stick anywhere on it.

13th Oct 2007, 07:56

In my household my spouse drives her SUV and I drive a car and a full size truck all under 2 years old. I also still prefer owning a car not driving a truck every single day. Of the many new imports we have owned they were fine mechanically until 2000 and were not the same mechanically thereafter... yet my wife stilled stayed with them up until a year ago. She had great imports, but got fed up with mechanical failures which she never had prior. I test drove a new Tundra and prefer Silverados handling and ride. No manufacturer buys vehicles for us so I call it as it is. This is the first time we have all domestics at the same time. I will test drive import and domestic trucks again and maybe it will be a Tundra next as models constantly improve. At this point and time I prefer GM meaning new models not like a prior reviewer commenting on 1984. My old imports were great, but my new ones did not hold up.

14th Oct 2007, 07:25

Someone out there needs to explain to me why people think Toyota magically and mysteriously changed 'mechanically' after 2000. Did Y2k screw them up? Did they all go to work January 2nd, 2000, and the boss held a meeting; "Well, it's 2000, so overnight we've readjusted or replaced all of the assembly machines, and we're going to do everything differently now!" Ha ha.

I was the first person in my family to own a Toyota, almost 20 years ago, and after seeing that mine never breaks, every new car bought in my family has been a Toyota, and a few since 2000. Just like before 2000, nobody ever has a problem, they run to perfection, just like always. Same story with everyone else outside of my family that owns them. They just don't break. OK, one did. It's an '89 Camry that finally needs a fuel pump at 264,000 miles. Darn Toyota junk!

14th Oct 2007, 08:18

I have a Borla stainless exhaust system on my 2007 Silverado. I could comment on 70-80's Toyota rustbucket pickups that I see in the Northeast. Sure they run even with bad rings blowing blue exhaust in your face, but fortunately I am not one of them. I would not want to park and I am sure my neighbors would not appreciate having old clunkers in front of their new homes. I thought I might read comparisons on 2007 pickups not 20 year old plus vehicles seems time to come to the present.

14th Oct 2007, 17:22

09:48 You got one thing right, you can read endless STORIES about problems with Toyota's here. And you exaggerate; no where did I read a comment saying my Toyota will last 'decades' longer than a domestic. Will it last several years longer? You bet. They already do, and will continue to.

You talk about baseless comments? How about your claim that there are all of these older domestic trucks all over the place? Most of the ones I see are stacked up in a junkyard, which is where they belonged in the first place. The few '80's domestic trucks that I know of personally that are still on the road have hardly any original parts left in them. You can keep anything on the road forever if you just keep replacing everything. It's just that with a Toyota, you don't have to, at least not for a long, long time.

15th Oct 2007, 03:10

19:10 That's surely the only way I'd be stuck with a domestic; if I got rid of it well before the warranty ran out.

15th Oct 2007, 11:45

Again... more people grasping at straws with attempts to "debunk" everyone with these audacious claims that all imports are naturally inferior to Grandpa's Chevrolet or their gigantic dually, gas-sucking excuse of a truck.

First of all, I get up at 5:30 every morning and drive 50 miles to work. If you're not seeing tons of 20+ year old Toyota trucks, then perhaps you should ride along with me and see all those old toyotas loaded up with ladders, pressure washers, scaffolding, and tools. That's exactly what I see which is loads of mainly hispanic contractors using their old Toyotas for yes - REAL work.

Secondly, as many have pointed out- Toyota does offer a 100,000 mile warranty. Yes, it does cost extra. The question is do you actually need it? I've never had any problems with any Toyota I've owned. Simply put, their products are engineered so well that the product itself IS your warranty because the things rarely have problems. Ever want to see what people's experiences have been the much mentioned GM warranty? Just read some of the posts on this site. The warranty is barely worth the paper it is written on.

Lastly, are Toyota parts more expensive than domestic parts? Nope - sorry, wrong again. For example, back when my dad had a 94' Ford F-250, one of the plastic chrome hub covers fell off the wheel. A new one cost him $55. Yes- 55 bucks for a stupid plastic cover. I've bought parts for both Ford and Toyota trucks and in my experience, The Ford parts are as much or even more in some instances. So you can throw that argument out the door. That is unless we're talking about some ancient 40 year old rust belt leftover, in which case we might as well be discussing something else entirely.