19th Oct 2007, 15:25
Right, Buick is tied with Lexus for first place. And take a GUESS who makes Buick... GM!! You are right -- the phrase "foot in mouth" does apply here -- to you.
19th Oct 2007, 19:32
22:41 Why argue with people you do not know or will never meet... 100 times you repeat an opinion? If you have great luck with your vehicle, good for you. However if I see any vehicle dramatically dropping ratings rather than showing increasing improvement, it will not be considered in our household. What do you attribute Toyotas dramatic drop in quality... or is it well Taurus is worse? Why is Honda now superior to Toyota?
20th Oct 2007, 12:09
Consumer Reports no longer recommends buying a V-6 Camry or a V-8 Tundra, based on the reliability problems reported by their 1.3 million subscribers.
Meanwhile, Buick, Cadillac, Lincoln, and Mercury have moved into the top five slots for quality in J.D. Powers surveys, and both show Ford as good as Honda and Toyota, save for some subjective dislike of interiors.
Looks like the party is over in Toyota-land, with Ford and GM back on top where they belong. Toyota and Honda are yesterday's news.
20th Oct 2007, 17:25
15:25 OK, you got me! A guess Buick getting there once is as good as Lexus (Toyota) doing it 13 straight years and counting.
20th Oct 2007, 18:22
When I buy a car or if it were a truck I would consider the facts such as toyota trucks are non-existent or nearly on a farm. The proving ground for such vehicles. It is a truck; it needs to be crude and rough to take the abuse like a tractor. If you use it as such you wouldn't want the cup holders or bluetooth, you want simple and cost effective. I bet the M1 tank is pretty rough around the edges, but it does its job. Also some people would complain about the g forces in a F-15; OH it isn't smooth, never mind a 90+ kills to no losses of its own.
The saddest thing is that some people, unable to roll up their sleeves and get elbow deep in working, dampen the spirit of the bread and butter vehicles of the US. They were never designed to be cars, they are trucks, workhorses, and durable. Who cares about the soft ride.
21st Oct 2007, 08:10
12:09 Thank you. That was the funniest comment I've ever read. Toyota and Honda, the two fastest growing, most progressive automakers in the world are yesterday's news, and FORD!! is the way of the future! Ha haaaa!!
I'll let you in on a little secret that those of us that actually do research already know: These few Ford cars that are getting decent reliability ratings; (they're not that good). They're NEW, that's why they're not falling apart just yet. Give them a few years and they'll start disintegrating just like all Ford cars do, and they'll join the ranks of every other Ford car from the last 30 years that became a discontinued nightmare.
21st Oct 2007, 11:22
17:25 Being in the present has more relevance than having a car that is no longer recommended. Unless you are buying used and not in the market for the newest recommended reliable models.
21st Oct 2007, 21:08
11:22??? Lexus is STILL there?! You want to take a look at 'cars not recommended'; let's look at somebody like Ford or Chevy: how about darn near every one of them! These Ford owners are thrilled because for once they have 1 or 2 cars that weren't reviewed as complete pieces of junk, and Toyota, for the first time in years, has made ANY car that isn't fully recommended by every publication. And the Ford owners think this means that Ford is now as quality as Toyota. Yeah, right. Toyota will straighten out the few issues that they have going on right now, and continue to make the best cars on the road, and Ford's new cars, as usual, will most likely turn out to be saturated with mechanical problems.
The truth is, I won't buy a new Camry either until I'm sure there are no issues with it, but I can for damn sure do better than a Ford; in fact, almost anything is a better choice in cars, you'd be hard pressed to find a worse one. I can't even believe, given Ford's track record with cars, that ANYONE still buys Fords. There's no sound reasoning that a person can use to come up with the decision to drive a Ford.
22nd Oct 2007, 10:15
I find it equally funny that of the two cars recommended from Ford, these are not even really American cars anyway. Both the Mercury Milan and Ford Fusion are built on a Mazda 6 platform. They're cross-engineered from Mazda and Ford. The crank in the engine is made in India. Both cars are manufactured in Mexico.
On the other hand, the Camry and Avalon are made in Kentucky. Many of the parts come from Denso USA in TN. So for you folks who are on here waving your patriotic flags, perhaps you should get your facts straight and see just who you're waving those flags for, because these so-called "American" cars are far from it.
22nd Oct 2007, 11:10
"Toyota will straighten out the few issues that they have going on right now, and continue to make the best cars on the road."
Sounds like the statement of a person who desperately wants to believe it. Get used to disappointment.
"There's no sound reasoning that a person can use to come up with the decision to drive a Ford."
Oh? How about a 3.0 L V-6 that gets 20/28 mpg in a well appointed mid-size sedan, for $21,500? That would be the Ford Fusion. Or how about a 3.5 L V-6 that gets 20/27 in a luxurious mid-size bordering on full-size sedan for $23,500? That would be the new Ford Taurus. Or how about the luxurious mid-size Mercury Milan for as low as $21,500, with the 4-cylinder that gets 22/30? Or how about the new Ford Focus, with a 2.0 L that gets 27/34 mpg for $17,500? They kinda make the Camry and Corolla look like a pile of puke. Sounds like lots of good reasons to buy a Ford car.
22nd Oct 2007, 12:32
My 2007 Tundra CrewMax, with a 5.7 liter engine, is now three months old and has just over 3000 miles.
There is nothing to report, except that it has performed as advertised and I have no issues to be dealt with and I have not returned to the dealer since the day I purchased it. I'm not sure I have ever had another new vehicle that I could say this about, and that covers almost 50 years of buying new vehicles.
It has no rattles and everything works as intended. I have personally detailed this vehicle a couple of times, and you can tell a lot about how a vehicle is put together when you clean up every part of it. This vehicle is well put together and the fit and finish are excellent.
I can see some small things that could be improved, but I think you could say that of almost any vehicle that you purchase. Overall, in my opinion, it is a high quality truck with a lot of excellent features.
19th Oct 2007, 11:03
Fifth versus thirteenth? According to who? J.D. Powers rates Buick, Lincoln, Mercury, and Cadillac as higher in quality than Toyota or Honda. Deal with that fact.
Also deal with the fact that CNN Money includes Toyotas on their list of used cars to avoid due to the engine sludging. So, what was it that was soooo great about Toyota and Honda quality again? Seems like you're the only one who can find a rag sheet to support your outdated 1990's view.