22nd Oct 2007, 14:09

I'll take a F250 over a Tundra anyday...or a new Mustang Convertible rather than a bland Toyota in my opinion

22nd Oct 2007, 17:40

I've seen the new Malibu. It is about the ugliest thing I've ever seen. The Camry is infinity times better looking, and more reliable. I guarantee this car will cause the downfall of GM (that is already pending). Oh, and Toyota is still on top, and always will be.

22nd Oct 2007, 19:07

Your commenting on the reliability of a car that is not even on sale yet? I hate to burst your bubble, but the new Camry does not have the best track record, just check some of the reviews on this site. As far as styling goes, that is purely subjective and Toyota has never manufactured anything that will go down in history as a classic design. Not that the new Malibu is that great looking, but to say the Camry is infinitely better looking is more than a little stretch. I personally think Toyota's reign at number one will be short lived as it well should be.

22nd Oct 2007, 19:31

14:09 F-250, huh? Does '250' mean the number of times it'll be in the shop in 3 years?

I've always get a good laugh every time Ford or GM introduces something new. The last new GM car I drove was a Chevy Cobalt, which felt like driving a dishwasher down the road, only with more plastic inside of it.

A good friend of mine just bought a brand new F-150. It's already in the shop for some weird hesitation. You push the gas pedal down, and it takes the truck about half a second before it decides whether it wants to move or not, then the drive shaft clunks and it lurches forward. I'm not impressed to say the least.

He traded in a problem ridden Dodge Ram that was in the shop for (let's see if I can remember them all) ; recalls for, wheel bearings that might cause the wheel to lock up or fall off, faulty seat belts AND air bags, a fine combination there... there were a couple of other ones, I forget them all.

Now he has a Ford. Years ago, after owning a Blazer, then an S-10, needless to say, he swore to never buy Chevy again. So he bought a Dodge. Now, he won't ever buy a Dodge again. So, he bought a Ford, which still has the new car smell, yet is broken already. The Ford garage told him the truck is SUPPOSED to hesitate.

OK. Like I said, I get a kick out of this. He's my friend, but is one of those guys, like many that comment on this site, who can't see the forest for the trees, and think that the Big 3's offerings are all he's allowed to buy. Poor guy. He keeps waiting for my Toyota's to break or go to the shop, so he can get on my case for buying one, but they never break.

Now, finally, he says his next buy will be a Toyota, and if he'd have just bought one in the first place, he wouldn't have lost money at trade in on the last five crappy domestics he traded in.

23rd Oct 2007, 12:28

I heard Toyota actually isn't the #1 selling car maker anymore, but that GM is first again. I keep reading automotive reviews about the CTS and apparently the interior quality is way ahead of Japanese cars and many of the expensive European sedans as well, and if that's any indication of how the new Malibu will be built I thinks it's safe to assume it will be very competitive with the Camry.

Consumer reports announced they won't be automatically reccommending Toyotas anymore for reliability because of recent problems (including Transmissions) with cars such as the Camry.

23rd Oct 2007, 14:54

19:31, the problem you describe about your friend's F-150 sounds very similar to an issue I have read about a countless number of times regarding new Camrys. Your friend would be wise to stick with the domestics, a Toyota will surely let him down as well, but with a larger sticker price.

23rd Oct 2007, 16:07

Well, shouldn't a 40,000 dollar car have better quality than a Civic? About time!!!

23rd Oct 2007, 17:12

The plain & simple fact of the matter when it comes down to it, is that Toyota is always the safer & better buy. (There are) no 2 ways about it. Domestic fans on here want us to explain why we love our Toyota. However, shouldn't we be the ones asking the domestic fans why they are so enamored with junk? So why do you domestic fans love your garbage cans you call "vehicles" so much?

23rd Oct 2007, 18:40

Many attribute escalating oil prices for current Toyota sales. I feel they are overpriced, and then reading that they are the most profitable vehicle in America does not change that viewpoint in my opinion. I'd rather spend and get more features and twice the warranty.

I drive and purchase styling, features, performance, handling, comfort and better warranty with domestics as of 2007.

What is a safer buy? If you have to give up mechanical quality and any of the aforementioned points, is saving a few bucks per tank worth it? When repair time comes and it costs thousands, it is it no longer defined an economy car? I would rather have a straightforward comfortable domestic sedan than a Prius for example, which is just out of warranty down the road. It will be curious to see how this vehicles batteries, electronics endure long term.

I'll take a new domestic gas V8... drive to 100,000 miles and get over 20 mpg until its warranty expires rather than buying 2 imports to get the same warranty.

23rd Oct 2007, 21:21

14:54, Uhh, no. That's kind of the whole point. See, the proof is that if he'd bought my Tacoma, which has been perfect for 10 years, then he WOULDN'T have wasted $80,000 combined on three or four domestics that never did run right and couldn't stay out of the repair shops. Beyond all of these pointless comments and opinions, he now knows that through real life experience, as most Toyota owners do.

Early in life, before we know any better, a lot of us bought Ford's and Chevy's because they are more inexpensive. So it would appear, until the repair bills started rolling in and we learned just to pay a little more for a reliable vehicle in the first place and drive trouble-free. Never-mind all of the stories where people say they've had all kinds of trouble with Toyota's and their Fords were perfect.

24th Oct 2007, 06:14

11:10 I'm not sure what you tried to accomplish there, but it didn't work out. Citing EPA fuel estimates (which Ford cars most always fall well short of) backs up my case. From that viewpoint, the Corolla is head and shoulders above everything you named.

You calling the Milan luxurious was pretty good though. Is it a couch? The new Ford Taurus is nothing more than a renamed Ford 500, renamed because nobody wanted a 500. So now they've renamed it after one of their many problem ridden, discontinued cars. Good move there.

Those of us old enough to remember the first generation of Taurus' try not to drive too close to them in traffic for fear of parts flying off.

The Camry is the best selling car in the United States, and the Corolla is the best selling nameplate of all time worldwide, whereas Ford just makes one mistake after another and discontinues them due to poor sales and hopefully embarrassment.