5th Nov 2007, 23:30

It seems interesting that someone could take your comment and re-write it using domestic vehicles and have it turn out the same. And have it be true. As you said, Then try to convince them that they were really wrong and that the fact that their truck just keeps right on running flawlessly is a giant fib and conspiracy theory.

Have you ever stopped to think that much of what you say mirrors domestic owner experiences?

I suppose that if I were to say, as for myself, I wonder why there are so many super anti-domestic people on here who are trying their best to try and convince us of how BAD domestic trucks are, how that their reliability is a big fat lie, and that we're just arrogant and full of ourselves for possibly believing that we could actually be very happy with our trucks. All I know is that I've driven the exact same Suburban truck for 12 years, with no problems, and with no signs of wear, tear, or mechanical failure past 200,000 miles. In fact, I just waxed, washed, and cleaned her up yesterday and guess what? It still looks brand-spanking new. Ask me. Ask my neighbor. Ask my family. Ask the vast majority of the domestic truck owners out there just how many problems they have/had. Then try to convince them that they were really wrong and that the fact that their truck just keeps right on running flawlessly is a giant fib and conspiracy theory. "Those darned domestic trucks- how come they keep on running forever?!- it's because they don't know how to make a truck," you would say I was hallucinating. So, we both have had identical experiences with our vehicles, but mines a Ford, therefore I'm insane and wrong. I suppose that all those "domestic trucks with over 300,000 miles on them" are lies or extreme exaggerations and that all the "Toyota horror stories" are as well?

Well, wake up buddy, because the situation definitely is NOT what you think.

6th Nov 2007, 04:54

23:30 Exactly my point of view as an import owner. "Ask any domestic truck owner how many problems they've had". Well, I have, and just about all of them have many problems; and serious ones usually, like Chevy's with bad head gaskets, and Dodge's and Ford's with bad transmissions. Seems the only place a Chevy Suburban will go to 250,000 miles is in someones imagination, or in an anonymous forum in print. And thanks for driving that rattling, gas guzzling GM marvel, by the way. What does it cost you to fill that tank up? I'll stick to something reasonable that actually WILL go 200,000 with no trouble and keep my Tacoma.

6th Nov 2007, 12:18

To quote what I found online...

"The bad news just doesn't seem to end for the new Toyota Tundra. Latest word from AN (via PickupTruck.com) is that there have been 20 reports of the new 5.7L engine with camshaft failures. The problem appears to have been a metallurgical defect in the casting according to a Toyota spokesman. More important is that it has been corrected.

Now 20 bad engines out of 30,000 or so doesn't seem like much (.067%), but add that to the recent so-so safety ratings, and you could say that we have trouble right here in River City. We know of 20 engines that are affected, but how many more might also be affected? This could easily mushroom into a public relations nightmare for Toyota—and you can bet the anti-Tundra folks will milk this for all it's worth."

So what does this mean? Well, the newer Tundra's will not have this issue... but the anti-Tundra crowd is going to go wacko, and this is what we have on this site. I mean it is not like every Tundra is going to fail. I cannot believe people also take this to mean all Toyota's are bad... and to make it worse, Honda is magically involved.

6th Nov 2007, 12:20

I drive a new full size truck and tow a new boat within that time frame every 3-5 years and have yet to have a horror story. Import/Domestic they easily last that long. I like new technology and very clean vehicles. The individuals that have bought my vehicles are very likely driving them today. If you have saved..owned your home(s) etc. why drive really old trucks unless they are classics?

6th Nov 2007, 17:01

4:54,

You're proving my point exactly. "Seems like the only place a Chevy Suburban will go to 250,000 miles is in someones imagination, or in an anonymous forum in print"

Statements like that, discrediting people's statements because it is contrary to what you might have heard. I find it odd, that I've gotten 16 offers on my 1989 Suburban with nearly 250000 miles, some up to $6,500, just from street people coming up and asking me if I would sell it. And no, I have not had to replace every little thing on it, like you so think I should have. In fact, the repairs-made stand at 2. An alternator, and the cap and rotor. I ask them why, they say because they will never die and are amazing off-road machines, you can't stick 'em. If they are so horrible, then why would the general public have such a high-standing opinion? After all, everyone knows that GM's are total junk, right?

Those people also shared their stories about their rigs, Suburbans, and how they regretted having to sell them.

But, according to you, I'm just imagining things and so is every person that I've personally talked to who's owned them.

Saying that GMs are junk, just from talking to people you know doesn't mean you're right.

Saying that GMs are NOT junk, just from talking to people I know doesn't mean I'm right.

6th Nov 2007, 18:48

From an import guy side of things, I would say the Suburban is one of GM's best and only decent vehicles besides the Corvette. The stars drive them, the rich, the poor, everyone has ridden in a Suburban. Problem is that they do not get the best gas mileage, and it costs upwards of 95 bucks to fill em up.

6th Nov 2007, 19:32

Oh, and in response to me driving my gas guzzling hog, it costs about $85-90 bucks to fill up depending on where the needle is. I also average 16 mpg, very close to today's larger SUV's.

6th Nov 2007, 21:23

17:01 Think about what you're expecting me to believe. Gas is over $3 a gallon, at least where I live, and you're telling me that 16 people want to buy your 20 year old Suburban that gets 16 miles to the gallon, and, you say, has 250,000 miles on it?

I believe it was 200,000 in your first comment. Who would want a 19 year old GM vehicle that gets gas mileage like that? No one. As far as the import/domestic issue, everybody that's aware of the facts knows that Toyota has always made a better product than GM. I'm sick of explaining why. I'm a car enthusiast, and I've explained the FACTS at least 50 times on this site, but that doesn't seem to matter to the Ford and GM owners who keep asking me to give them facts. I do; then they tell me I'm wrong.

If you pay attention to detail, have any real background in mechanics of any kind, or do any real research, you will realize that Toyota is the superior product. The proof is everywhere. Park any year of Toyota, car or truck, next to any year GM, Ford, or Dodge, car or truck, and really look at it. Crawl underneath it, look at the build quality, the design; how things are put together, and the truth is obvious. Toyota's are much higher quality.