26th Nov 2007, 16:32
I would much rather own a very nice domestic full size truck vs. have to make over 500 plus excuses and or defensive comments as it now appears on this thread. Seems like that would becoming tiring after a while. Mine quietly performs every single day without qualm and without any negative comments.
26th Nov 2007, 21:09
Well, as far as full size trucks go, here's something you might want to know. My friend just bought a brand new F-150. He wanted a Tundra, but thought twice about spending the 'extra' money. The Ford is supposed to tow 10,000 pounds, so they say at the dealership. He made sure of this because he just bought a 7000 pound pull behind camper. He drove about 150 miles to pick it up, and barely made it home. I talked to him just today, and he said the Ford was screaming at about 3000 rpms and started to overheat. In the winter. What happens when he tries to actually go camping in the spring and summer? And he got EIGHT miles to the gallon, pulling on a major highway at about 60 mph. Ford tough. Yeah. Should have bought the Tundra.
26th Nov 2007, 21:48
But the thing is, this is NOT a review. Read the initial post -- it was written by somebody who "wanted to start up a discussion" on a vehicle he doesn't even own. This is the magnet page for pointless arguing about foreign v. domestic, with no actual review of any real vehicle.
27th Nov 2007, 13:40
21:09 not disputing the dealer, but I would have bought a new F250 16,400 lb tow rating... buying the Tundra would not give you any extra gain with a 10,800 tow rating. Tundra does not make anything bigger... I may upgrade to the F350 with my next boat 19,200 and if that doesn't work for you buy the Ford F450 with 24,000...I would rather have more reserve with my towing.
27th Nov 2007, 14:59
11:21 That's a very good analogy about the student who gets the 'A' screwing up. That's exactly why Toyota draws so much attention with every recall or problem. When Ford, who can be compared to the 'F' student for certain, finally makes a car that MIGHT be half decent, all of the 'domestic' owners come out of the woodwork and want to say how Ford is now ahead of Toyota, which obviously is wrong and makes no sense. Just because Ford may have temporarily gone up a notch with one or two models, and Toyota may have temporarily slipped with one or two, there is still a huge difference in quality between them; Toyota still makes the far better product.
27th Nov 2007, 16:49
13:40; The difference is that the Tundra is actually capable of towing at least as much as Toyota claims that it will.
What's worse is that he had a Dodge Ram that was supposed to be able to tow 9000 pounds, I believe. When he was looking into buying the 7000 lb. camper, he checked with Dodge first about his truck. It was also new, by the way. Dodge told him they didn't recommend that he tow the camper. Of course, he asked them why he couldn't with a truck that was rated for 9000, and they would only say that they wouldn't recommend it and mentioned something about the rear differential not being heavy duty. So he bought the Ford; they told him it would have no problems; obviously they were wrong. He is 3000 lbs. under capacity and the truck barely got him uphill and began to overheat.
Like I said before, what happens when he actually starts putting things in the camper for a trip and it's actually hot out in the spring or summer? Once again, he should have gone with the Tundra, which I'm sure he now knows.
29th Nov 2007, 11:57
To: 27th Nov 2007, 16:49.
They all claim that this and that Truck can tow UP TO X much.
But You need to buy the vehicle configured with the gearing, engine, suspension etc.. to handle the max towing capacity.
You wouldn't want to pull 10000lbs with the V6 in the Tundra either.
30th Nov 2007, 07:21
14;36 No, a GM is never a better choice than a Toyota. And the Ford is crap, so why buy the next size up piece of crap?
30th Nov 2007, 14:36
If the small Ford and Tundra are rated the same tow rating, wouldn't logic dictate a 3/4 ton with much higher tow rating be the obvious choice? Maybe your friend could buy a small pop up trailer and own an import?
30th Nov 2007, 15:37
11:57 The Ford I'm talking about is a brand new F-150 with a V-8; not the 351 or whatever size it is now, but the smaller V-8. The rating for THAT particular truck, equipped in that way, is 10000 pounds, according to the Ford dealership, so it should be able to tow 70% of its capacity, which is 7000 pounds.
Now my friend is another person who Ford has ripped off; he won't own another one, and I'm certain he will go with the Toyota next time, which is what he should have done in the first place. My little '98 Tacoma with a V-6, and literally half the horsepower of his brand new F-150 is rated to tow 5000 pounds, and I hauled more than that once when I moved; a 600 mile trip that took me through the mountains of Virginia and W. Virginia. No trouble at all. Meanwhile, his big full size, brand NEW Ford almost died towing 7000. Pathetic.
1st Dec 2007, 19:20
15:37 It would be quite interesting to borrow a brand new Tundra, and just tow the exact same camper trailer tow capacity application next summer on a very steep grade in hot 100 degree plus sun, especially in bumper to bumper traffic, stop go traffic, and see if it's that much better. Then please share a review with first hand comments. As you have not done so it's conjecture to say that Tundra with the same tow ratings is going to be any better, especially under the conditions I just mentioned.
It also defies logic why you would feel that a smaller import truck is the only solution when 3/4 ton, 1 ton and even larger domestics are readily available. Just because a V8 is present in a truck by the way does not indicate that it is the best to tow. It may not even have towing options other than a hitch on it for better cooling,better suspension etc. You can have a basic 6 cyl or a large V8 2wd street pickup as 1/2 ton and will always be 1/2 ton... but will it tow as well as a smaller engine present in a domestic 3/4 ton 4WD?
I suspect you will say imports will tow this specific load better, as after all they are an import. I have towed trailers frequently under these hot conditions and know from experience.
26th Nov 2007, 04:49
Hate to break it to you buddy, but you were not learning anything about the Tundra in the first place. Did you really think that anything on this thread was a real world analysis? No, just a bunch of domestic truck owners who want to bash the Tundra.