2nd Dec 2007, 13:47
We are nearing year end the Tundra was 1/7 of Fords F Series sales last year... and domestics are not sitting still. we will see. The new Silverado is really great as well. This is about full size trucks not cars.
3rd Dec 2007, 18:54
13;47 The F-150's sales don't make it a better truck than a Tundra. It isn't. It sells well mainly because it's a recognized name, it's cheap, and people buy a lot of them for fleet use. That's it. If you want the more popular truck, buy the Ford. If you want the better truck, buy the Toyota.
6th Dec 2007, 14:54
Had to find out for myself, I've owned nothing but Chevy Trucks and drive a F250 4WD company truck. This was not an easy choice for me, buying a Toyota, but I have no regrets, plenty of power handles good pulls and stops my Bass boat no problems... Great TRUCK!!
20th Dec 2007, 11:59
If you haven't priced an F-150 lately, I'd hardly say they sell because they are cheaper. A nicely equipped F-150 has a sticker price that makes you dizzy. Of course, it happens to be worth it.
8th Mar 2008, 05:18
Better truck to me is twice the warranty, absolute better ride, better far superior handling, better and stronger towing capability, much more load carrying capability in the bed, more room and people carrying capability...
If you own a new full size truck why remotely even consider giving up even one of the elements and decrease function and capability? The new domestics are far superior than the imports based on everything I have compared.
If Toyota gives me all the elements above irregardless of price with a few more amenities and new technological features I will buy one. I am not loyal to any brand, only the most features and benefits gets my money, but mainly the best dealer service without excuses.
The better truck has these elements; it's what you buy a full size truck for... there's less strain on the motor with loads, drivetrain, bed and towing has a lot of importance as at times I easily exceed a ton in the bed, and even with towing, the better heavier duty components in bumper to bumper heat and traffic are the reason I desire this.
I am a homeowner have done major renovations and carry heavy loads frequently, and then tow as well long distance. I do not want to be in a dealer in 2-3 years with 55,000 miles already accumulated hearing that I have no factory warranty left on mechanical issues...
I have a new Silverado and am very impressed on how well it is working out. Overall it's better to drive and stronger.
8th Mar 2008, 18:42
In our area the Toyota dealerships are discounting the Tundra thousands more than Ford is the F-150. You can buy a comparably equipped Tundra here far cheaper than an F-150. I suppose it may be due to all the bad press about all of Toyota's mass of problems, but Ford certainly isn't outselling them 8 to 1 based on price here. While Tundra is battling to stay off the "10 worst trucks" list, the F-150 is still (as always) rated as a best buy, as is the new Silverado.
21st Mar 2008, 11:34
I was reading a report of an accident in our area and felt that readers might enjoy it. I'm quoting word for word from the accident report:
"The impact scattered parts across the interstate. A drive shaft was in the median while other parts including bumpers and ENGINE FRAGMENTS were strewn around the truck. The REAR WHEELS of the truck were shoved forward by the impact. The front dash collapsed almost to the back of the driver's seat."
A report of an accident involving a "poorly built" domestic truck?? NO WAY. The vehicle involved was a 2004 Toyota Tundra supercab. Nor was this a horrendous head-on collision, but a rear-ender where both the Tundra and the other vehicle were going the SAME WAY.
I saw a photograph of the Tundra and was not overly surprised to see that simply the weight of the rear axle, differential, and tires had ripped the rear end loose from the flimsy frame and moved the rear tires about 18 inches forward. Needless to say, the driver was critically injured and may not survive. The driver of the domestic truck that the Tundra rear-ended was not seriously injured.
22nd Mar 2008, 21:08
Yeah, domestics don't even bend when you crash another vehicle into them. They're magical. Give me a break. Let's assume that you base your decisions about what vehicle you buy on how it runs and for how long. In that case, Toyota is a better choice than any domestic every time.
23rd Mar 2008, 07:47
11:34.
That is a valuable piece of information you have added, demonstrating how woefully flimsy Toyota makes their vehicles, particularly those they try to pass of as a truck. In addition to making the Tundra an inadequate vehicle to do any type of serious work a truck was meant to, it is also a serious safety concern that people need to be aware of.
Yet I do not like to hear incidents of people being injured, even if such an incident helps advance my position, which is that Tundra's (and Toyota) are an absolute abomination that people need to stop venerating like brainwashed sheep. I wish the incident you described never happened and hope both drivers are OK.
Can we please folks just learn a lesson from this incident so maybe some good might come from it... like maybe Tundra's are not fit to be on the road, much less passing themselves off as trucks? If the Tundra were made by an American manufacturer, built as flimsily and experiencing the same litany of problems that Tundra's are, you very same people praising them would be vehemently decimating them. You know you would.
23rd Mar 2008, 18:58
Hmmmm... interesting. GM now build 2 "Cars of the year" (the Malibu and Cadillac CTS), fully 40% of Car and Driver's "Ten Best" are GM, and they are "scrap"?? Interesting indeed, since one Toyota " (Yaris) is on the "10 WORST" list and Camry, Tundra, Sequoia and Highlander are all on the brink of being put on lists of "cars to avoid" due to horrible quality control and too many problems to list.
To my knowledge there is not currently ONE SINGLE TOYOTA on ANY survey's list of "Best Cars". The Pontiac Grand Prix (2007) beat out the over-hyped Avalon in J.D. Powers as best large sedan, Mustang beat out the puny Solara as best sport/personal car, and EVERYTHING has beat out Camry going and coming.
So where are all these Toyotas that are supposed to be so good. Apparently no authority on cars has noticed them.
2nd Dec 2007, 10:08
First of all, Dodge is not known exactly for building fine vehicles unless you see the Viper. I would not be surprised if the Tundra could out tow that vehicle.
Ford's F-150 was built in 2004 and was designed to compete with the then Silverado and Dodge Ram, but not the Tundra. Not until a refresh of the 150 comes out soon will we know if it has drastically improved over the Tundra.
For now the Tundra will remain a good truck that everyone who drives a Ford and Chevy will hate. The Tundra has made its sales goal for this year, and that is all that Toyota cares about.