13th Aug 2007, 10:22

14:16 I had company cars for 15 years both import and domestic until recently. I have to purchase my own now and drive new domestics based on experience of heavy driving.

13th Aug 2007, 15:17

The number one vehicle sold in America is Ford F Series...7 times more were sold than Tundra last year. Start adding in the great new Silverado and other domestics instead of ranting about Camrys.

14th Aug 2007, 16:32

That's pretty darn funny about Ford's poor performance in the towing contest. Why am I not surprised? Yet another Ford fairy tale disproven. Even the piece of crap GM beat it badly, huh? You couldn't sell me a new Ford truck for $5. They're pitiful.

14th Aug 2007, 21:42

To the poster who claimed that the F-150 sells 7x's the amount of Tundra's - the vast majority of those F-150's are for commercial use and not personal use. Why - because they are cheap. End of story. Not too many companies can afford a fleet of Toyota's. The personal use F-150's are also lease vehicles which were purchased because of cheap lease rates. Wonder why there are so many of them at the auction - try and find a Tundra there.

15th Aug 2007, 01:40

I think the true experts are the ones who really use trucks for serious work.

Why haven't construction workers switched to Toyota trucks if they're so durable?

Why do cab drivers drive Ford Crown Vic's and not Toyota Avalon's?

-Because of real world experience; not because they follow hype.

15th Aug 2007, 10:00

I see otherwise Ford F250's and up being used by professionals and by those that need a decent towing vehicle for recreational trailers, powerboats, etc. for weekends. For over 20 years, being the number 1 vehicle in America is a very impressive track record. It would be impressive to see '20 years Number 1' by Toyota in all fairness, but it hasn't happened.

15th Aug 2007, 10:19

It's hard to find a new Tundra at any building supply, let alone at an auction...

15th Aug 2007, 22:18

This thread is almost laughable with all the Toyota faithful asserting the new Tundra is so good. Have you checked the news lately? The new Toyota 5.7 V8 is snapping camshafts. You cannot get any more serious of a problem than that.

OK Toyota apologists, it's your turn to chime in...

I am looking forward to finding out why a snapped camshaft is nothing to worry about, and how I am somehow missing the point that this is actually a sign of a superior truck.

While you (Toyota apologists) are at it, for those of you bashing the domestic trucks claiming they have bad suspension components, I'd also be interested to hear how Toyota having to recall Tundra's for faulty ball joints is indicative of them being any better.

16th Aug 2007, 08:28

Since when are F150's cheap?

So what you are trying to say is that Ford F150's are the best selling vehicle, beating anything Toyota has because they are so cheap?

16th Aug 2007, 17:28

You do not see Tundra's on construction sites because those people need real trucks to do real work, not a powder room on wheels for picking up trinkets at the market.

16th Aug 2007, 20:25

08:28 That's exactly right. People buy cheap junk like an F-150 because they don't have the foresight to see that they'll be buying 2 F-150's to equal the life of one Toyota truck.

17th Aug 2007, 08:50

Serious contractors buy the F250's...again the number 1 vehicle sold in the U.S.A. for over 20 years. Not many Tundras I see on any job sites. Where are they?

17th Aug 2007, 12:32

Do you know what I have realized as I have driven past many road construction sites? Well I am seeing many more people driving cars to the site and not necessarily driving trucks. Today I saw a at least 100 cars for every 10 trucks at a construction site in Minnesota as they were re working a major highway. I have also heard many people who are construction workers or contractors that they are going to have one truck for towing a trailer, and then the other workers are either going to drive a more economical car to work or bike to work. This is the reality. More and more people are switching to alternative modes of transportation, and if you are smart you realize that it is not important that every person working on a job site must have a truck.

21st Aug 2007, 06:27

16:14 is very informed as are many full size truck owners that have been repeatedly buying them for years. Applying car mentality is not why I buy a truck. Also minimizing a nicer warranty and having the capability to tow a boat that the Tundra cannot seems an unlikely way to convince me to switch. I wonder how many new brand truck buyers having never owned one actually look underneath...

22nd Aug 2007, 07:07

Are we supposed to believe that there will be import cars that contractors will be carrying tool, equipment, ladders, tow hitches pulling air compressors, mixers, georgia buggies etc etc etc. Doubtful.

I am at commercial buildings, residential job sites and where are all the cars? Maybe a state trooper car on the interstate or the flaggers that buy their vest, hardhat and sign that show up in a personal vehicle. Anything else it would be quite interesting to see the Camry after one day.

I think you are unaware of the necessity to have trucks to perform functions that cars are simply incapable of doing. The number one vehicle sold in America is the Ford F Series truck; over 7 times more sold than a Tundra last year. Most everyone drives Ford F 250 class type or equivalent vehicles as contractors. Homeowners and weekend warriors are not out daily on mass, using full size trucks lined up at yards and building supplies, loading up with daily requirements.

22nd Aug 2007, 07:50

06:27 I don't think that comment was very informed at all. It was in reply to a comment I wrote.

First off, people have only been buying domestic full size trucks for years because there was nothing else. Now Toyota makes them, they're the best out there, and that's why Tundra sales are increasing much faster than any other truck. That's an actual fact.

Number one, my Tacoma doesn't weigh 20 pounds. It doesn't go off-road better because it's light; it still weighs thousands of pounds. It goes off road better because it's designed better. And although I have had all four wheels off the ground before, I've never tried it with 'thousands' of pounds in the bed. I'm pretty sure any truck would fall apart on the landing. However, when it's empty, it doesn't break. And it'll take way more abuse of that kind than any Ford ever could. I've seen that proven many times.

And this reoccurring argument about a cast iron block is just pointless. They're not better in any way at all, they're simply heavier, which is a hindrance for a truck, and one of the many reasons the Ford's front suspension will break into little pieces if you try and actually use it like a truck off-road like you would a Toyota.

Keep the F-150's on the road with all of the cars, that's where they belong. God forbid anyone would consider taking a four wheel drive truck off the pavement. The Toyota will put it to shame in every instance.

All of these people claiming their Fords can haul 'thousands' of pounds have probably never actually done it. Who puts thousands of pounds in the bed of any truck? Nobody. They're half and three quarter ton payloads, unless it's a one-ton F-350. I've loaded my Tacoma with blocks, gravel, etc. It does just as well as any Ford would.

And by the way, my best friend just bought a brand new F-150 two days ago, and I drove it yesterday. It's a piece of crap. The first thing I noticed is that when you give it gas, there's a hesitation. I asked my buddy why; he said he noticed it too and asked the dealer. Turns out there is no throttle cable because it is done electronically. So when you give it gas, it takes off like a Toyota might after 300,000 miles with no tune up. More bad Ford design.

Not to mention, the truck is three days old, and the interior in my ten year old Tacoma is much nicer. Even the steering wheel looks cheesy. The whole interior looks cheap. My tailgate and doors shut better after 10 years than his does brand new.

And the hilarious part is that we were having a bonfire this weekend, needed firewood, and he had to park his brand new, thick-framed, cast iron block F-150 along side the road so he could get in my truck with me to get to where the logs were.