22nd Mar 2009, 17:29

7:54... it would be nice instead of saying "Toyota, Ford, GM, Dodge over and over to indicate the specific model instead that you have.

The 2009 Tundra made by Toyota is not the fuel leader... it's 13-17 MPG V8 4WD to Fords F 15-20 MPG and GM Silverado has a 21-22 MPG comparable engines. If you wanted a 2WD Tundra is still last... why anyone would want a 2WD V6 when mileage is not significantly different anyway?

I maintain anyone spending for a new full size truck; it's not the same economy only mode as someone driving in small cars and trucks, likely empty. I am not getting an adrenaline rush on saving 2 MPG either way when the trucks cost 40K plus with decent options.

In addition, what advanced body design are you referring as far as any specific 2009 Toyota model? I do not see any advanced styling exercises. Is it Prius, Corolla, Camry the truck designs? Not seeing it.

The warranty on Toyota and I can say the manufacturer as the import fan does truly does not reflect 2009 other models with 100,000 mile warranties. If it's so incredible, why not offer the warranty that the mfr. would never need to act upon based on your illustrations?

I think there are a lot of former import owners on here that have proof and first hand knowledge after buying initially and learning that way. I want a excellent warranty in 2009 standard... and expect great service and not getting excuses. I would expect people to be selling all their domestic full sizes lining for new Tundras or are they?

It would be nice to be model specific on a full size review. If it's not full size, say it's a 4 cylinder Tacoma direct experience for example, different class vehicle.

22nd Mar 2009, 20:32

10:52 Domestics are OVER-engineered?? By 1955 standards I'm assuming? The engines in all and any brand new domestic vehicle have nowhere near the refinement of a Honda or a Toyota engine from 1988. It truly is funny that someone would think that GM does, or has ever, built an engine that is even in the same class as an engine in a Civic or Toyota's near perfect 22re engine. Those were the definition of reliability. GM, Ford, and Dodge have done nothing to compare to this kind of quality.

But please, domestic fans, keep buying them... it stimulates the economy when you guys buy them and then feed the auto parts stores money when they start to fall apart at 70,000 miles or less.

22nd Mar 2009, 21:39

This site HAS influenced people's decisions on car purchases. I first found this site the day I was about to go out and take delivery of a Hyundai Tiburon. I ran across this site that day (back in 2006) and saw numerous comments from people who had bought Tiburons and had had trouble getting Hyundai to honor the warranty. I instantly scrapped my plans to buy a Tiburon and a year later bought a Ford Mustang instead.

I put great stock in the more sane and sensible comments I see, especially those who appear knowledgeable about cars and trucks and who have driven a variety of vehicles. I had a friend who was on the brink of buying a Camry or Accord and I showed him the comments on this site. I also showed him that the Ford Fusion is rated higher in predicted reliability. This weekend he made his decision. He took delivery of a new white Fusion SEL V-6. He has a much better car and saved nearly $5000 over the Accord (the Camry price was nearly the same). He is glad I showed him the comments (and related references) that helped him get a better car.

Looking at the comments on just this thread alone, my friend commented, "The domestic owners comments seem far more fact-based". I told him I agreed, and that after reading the comments on just this thread my choice in a full-sized truck could be nothing but a Silverado or F-150. Toyota is by no means junk, but to see every comment from import owners labeling ALL domestic vehicles as "junk" or "crap" goes a long way toward convincing a truly open minded individual to buy domestic.

23rd Mar 2009, 10:25

Yes, it's also "truly funny" to think of one of these puny engines pulling a boat or hauling a load of concrete blocks. I imagine they'd last all of 2 miles.

23rd Mar 2009, 14:58

By "other models", I assume you mean GM trucks because they are the only ones offering the 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. I checked Ford and Toyota. They both offer a 5yr/60,000 mile powertrain warranty and all three have the same 3yr/36,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty.

Dodge, of course, has their lifetime limited warranty. That's a great deal on a nice truck. Their bumper-to-bumper is the same as the others'.

So... again, to clear things up, comparing powertrain warranties, Ford and Toyota have 5yr/60,000mile warranties; GM has their 5yr/100,000mile warranty; Dodge has an unlimited/lifetime warranty (non-transferable). ALL have a basic 3/36 bumper-to-bumper warranty.

23rd Mar 2009, 15:38

The 22RE is not a good engine.

The blow head gaskets frequently and leak a lot of oil, frequently.

The number of 22REs I've seen blown up on the trails is 10x what I see of 4.0L Cherokees, Pathfinders, and any other domestic trail rig. Period.

Actually, I've never seen a domestic engine blow up on a trail during a hard, VERY hard run. Toyotas, yes. And frequently, too.

23rd Mar 2009, 15:51

20:32 so I can pick just 3... 2009 stock domestic engines that indicates absolutely no technological advances since 1955? Hardly.

2009 Corvette 620 HP 0-60 under 4 seconds... 2009 Mustang Shelby 450 HP, and not forgetting Dodge the 2009 Challenger Hemi.

Wish I could add more... I would pick any of these 2009 domestics mated with 6 speed transmissions.

When you open your garage door and get inside your new 2009 vehicle, what enthusiasm can you share being you have the best vehicle? Other than turning the key and riding somewhere, I am disappointed both with lack of styling, the blandness, handling, spartan plain aspects of most Toyotas I am seeing. The design elements - are they the cupholders?

As far as warranty, I would now personally dump a vehicle as soon as the warranty expires... it will never happen to me again with our imports weak warranty expired rapidly. Indicating new domestics will fail in 70,000 miles I put it another way. If your import fails at 70,000 miles with manufacturing defect with absolutely no 100,000 mile warranty, what do you say? The answer is likely, do you take credit cards to repair my vehicle? I have all my repairs done at dealership on scheduled intervals, and have not had any of the so called catastrophic failures on my late model GM Silverados. I tack on miles rapidly and surpassed your figure with ease, with towing and they were very nice vehicles when sold. I am commenting on V8 gas models not small 4 cylinder pickups.

Appreciate any clarification on what specific model/year acquired, not what manufacturer only when commenting on the full size forum.