31st Mar 2009, 11:12
That's part of it, but the bigger issue is that Hyundai has their risk-free purchase program. If you lose your job, they'll take the car back. That assurance in this economy is what has really made up much of their sales performance.
31st Mar 2009, 18:31
22:47 "Exactly right not one new domestic"
Should have been "I have never owned one single new or old full size truck domestic or import." Ever.
With that being understood, it's easy to see the reiterating with small car/small truck economy lack of understanding of why individuals own full size models. To then say Toyota has addressed it all is incorrect, and to jump to the F-350 extreme is still not the answer either.
If you want to devote so much time on a full size truck review, at least understand why people buy them. It's not just price or how cheap. It's applications, function and usage being addressed.
The number one vehicle sold in America for over 20 years has not been cars, but full size trucks. There may be those that worry over depreciation, usually those that are economy vehicle oriented. I do not, and my friends as well do not feel that as the utmost concern. It's capability, strength and dependable service with a strong written warranty in place.
What I tow is more expensive and depreciates more rapidly than my truck. Is it worth it? My family thinks so... it's fun, time together and quality of life worth every penny.
I enjoy my full size truck much as perhaps you do with a small model in a different way. You off road empty. I never will, but you like it.
Putting a dollar and cent value on everything you do limits a great deal of quality ownership, features and benefits of full size truck ownership. Maybe some day you may own one and maybe it will be a Tundra so as to minimize the "Toyota" comment, which can be everything from a Yaris to a truck.
The Tundra is too small for us, and we do not own a F-350 class either. The great ongoing political debate goes on and on... I would rather hook up my nice new full size truck and have fun as a family. Maybe others on here can share why they invested and own a 2009 full size truck on here and get off the small car/small truck kick.
31st Mar 2009, 20:56
Well, of the Big 3, with GM and Chrysler out of business, that should reduce the number of comments made on Toyota sites by about 2/3 according to my math.
Keep telling me how good the crappy new Silverado is after they aren't even in business anymore. I believe I'll stick with Toyota. Even if you don't like them, at least they'll be in business next week.
1st Apr 2009, 11:53
If GM goes out of business (HIGHLY unlikely) you import fans most likely won't be buying ANYTHING. If the U.S. auto industry goes under, so does the ENTIRE ECONOMY. It will result in a depression greater than that of 1929, and a total collapse of the entire job structure of this country. If you don't have a job, you won't have money to buy anything.
Sadly, people have been so duped by the Japanese auto industry that they honestly think destroying our country is OK. Sorry, I don't agree. I'll buy domestics. They're more reliable anyway, and have much better warranties, which will be honored regardless.
1st Apr 2009, 15:05
20:56 There have been literally millions of full size trucks sold and it is unlikely that the applications for them will ever vanish. There are many nice examples everywhere again full size to buy.
Since you have never owned one, and will continue to own "Toyota" meaning Tacoma small trucks, how this will have any consequential effect or bearing is unlikely. There are also zero Honda full size trucks and the Tacoma is certainly not full size.
I see a lot of full size trucks (few F-350), but still literally hundreds on busy weekends at our boat ramps. They are full size domestics, full size SUV's including Hummer H1's-H2's, even a nice Lincoln Blackwood that drive similar long distances regularly. I have yet to see a single Tacoma, never a Ridgeline and very few Tundras ever.
The imports I have seen are Mercedes, Porsche etc. usually that have called ahead to pull their boats off the high and dry racks or have permanent slips.
So out of literally hundreds of boats, they are not rolling in Tacomas and Ridgelines, Honda's only small pick up.
I suspect if there ever were a shortage of new domestic full size trucks, one can buy a second low mileage one and spread the wear and mileage over 2 trucks. At any rate, full size truck applications are not going to disappear, and recommending the only small truck Honda has or the Tacoma or even the limited Tundra is not applicable.
Again maybe say "Tacoma" instead of "Toyota" to clarify your full size truck analogy to clarify to those that do not know you do not have the topic indicated on the review heading.
1st Apr 2009, 21:13
11:53 Very funny. Like I said, the humor does me good. Lots of good stuff in there.
GM going out of business is highly unlikely?? Have you watched the news in the last 6 months? It's very likely. And we import fans will still be buying cars. With a Toyota badge on them, as always, because they are more reliable, because they're built with higher standards. You go ahead and back a dead horse if you like.
2nd Apr 2009, 11:06
Simply put, if you really think "GM may go under", you are drinking your bath water, dead horse? What nerve?! I have owned 5 Toyotas and 2 Nissans, of course they are built better, but those back country boys need their Silverados and F150s, let them buy them and quit griping about who is better, no GM, no US economy.
Should Japan and South Korea really dominate our country? Should our police cars be Avalons, Azeras, Sonatas, and Camrys? Do you understand the concepts of thinking strategically, competitive advantage, and market share?
2nd Apr 2009, 11:26
Good point. Our two family companies routinely get a quarter of a million miles out of our full sized Ford, Chevy and Dodge trucks and vans. Our Rangers (used for light duty and getting to job sites) often go 300,000 miles. None of these FACTS seem to have any effect on the OPINION of our import fan who has never owned ANY new domestic or ANY full sized truck. If you haven't eaten spinach you can't tell me how awful it is!!
As for the silly argument that GM is "going out of business", NO it ISN'T. Bankruptcy does NOT mean out of business. It means SUPERVISED restructuring, which is something ALL of our companies and financial institutions NEED DESPERATELY. ANY company that is losing billions and gives their former CEO $20,000,000 in severance pay DESERVES to be RIGIDLY supervised. It's no wonder MANY companies are in trouble now. But be that as it may, GM will stay in business and their warranties WILL be honored, though no one ever has to use them anyway. We've never had a warranty repair done on any of our GM, Chrysler or Ford vehicles in the last 20 years. They haven't broken down.
31st Mar 2009, 05:27
I love it how government politicians, who never produced anything in their lives and cannot even run their own budget without trillions of dollars worth of deficits, are now trying to tell the car companies how to run their businesses. That is asinine. Welcome to nationalized industry, which was so obviously the devious intention of these "bailouts" all along. It is not the government's place to get involved in these types of things in ANY capacity. I hope everyone is seeing the true colors of our politicians.