2nd Apr 2009, 21:54
11:26 Again, very funny. Supervised restructured means supervised restructuring. BANKRUPTCY means out of money, or at least not enough to operate; hence, not enough to do business and OUT OF BUSINESS.
The U.S. government may choose to GIVE them enough money to be BACK in business, like they made the mistake of doing once already, which produced nothing positive. If YOU own a business and are bankrupt, it means the your store closes down. Period.
I've owned GM vehicles before. They're junk, so I stopped buying them. Just like hundreds of thousands of other buyers. I bought something good instead: a Toyota. Which is why Toyota is doing just fine and GM is nearly out of business. Too bad they don't build better automobiles. If they did, they wouldn't be begging for money to stay alive.
But they're still good, right? Yeah, sure. That's the perfect environment for their workers to produce quality cars... Buy a Toyota and see what a good vehicle is like.
3rd Apr 2009, 13:29
There's millions of great full sizes. You have a small import Tacoma and have never owned any. Why fret, your truck isn't the topic or applicable to the review anyway.
3rd Apr 2009, 16:11
21:54 owned a used GM Buick Century. Is that the comparison to condemnation of all brand new GM full size trucks and absolutely all 2009 GM cars? Please clarify as I am wondering what logic applies to every single model available from a 15 year ago used purchase. Actually being quite specific of course. And if I read the prior post, it was not a bad car, even though it was purchased used.
If you wish to condemn an entire manufacturer and expect anyone to buy a Toyota, please be specific on why your vehicle is the best full size available.
I have owned "Toyota" as well and I will read your recommendation and test any full size truck import and domestic. What full size GM model truck have you ever owned past or present, and what current full size do you currently own? Are you implying anyone buying any new full size trucks will have no where to have them serviced?
The number one reason anyone will buy a new full size today (and I know you do not own any full sizes now or in the past) is actual applications.
Service is available everywhere. Not being constricted by price only I can literally buy any full size truck available. I have very careful to buy the best application full size truck, and I find more credibility from the business owner having fleets of full sizes.
I could own a now available as used only H1 if I wished and I have looked at new Escalades, Avalanches - do not like the high sides.
Who says you have to go to a dealer? My warranty mileage goes quick if it's less than 100,000 as a Toyota and too small. I guess I could park it from non use/too small application wise anyway. That makes a lot of sense - buy a Toyota that cannot be used... maybe some can with a Tundra, and again is that the full size you recommend enough to own one?
Irregardless of political issues, how do you ever expect to convert a full size truck owner with specific needs and applications to the Tacoma you have?
3rd Apr 2009, 20:17
"You still have not proven that Japanese cars are more reliable than domestics in any of your diatribes.'
This ONE anti-American import fanatic has already helped sell AT LEAST two Fords (and probably a lot more I don't know about). When such baseless comments are made over and over in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it has just the OPPOSITE effect. It makes people laugh first, and then go investigate for themselves. I've used JUST THIS THREAD alone to convince two of my formerly import-owning friends to buy Fords, and emailed this site to dozens of my car enthusiast buddies who regard "Tacoma Guy" as the epitome of the irrational import fan: A Ford has a bad cigarette lighter at 200,000 miles, it is "crap". A Tacoma BREAKS IN HALF at 50,000 miles and it is "superior". That stuff sells a LOT of Fords!!
2nd Apr 2009, 15:31
I went and looked at new Fords, GMCs, Cadillacs, and Toyotas the other day.
By FAR the Fords had the best build quality and materials. BY FAR. Soft touch surfaces, rich leather accents, NOT ONE THING felt flimsy on any of the Taurus, Flex, Edge, F150s, or Expeditions I looked at. Granted they were all top level trim, but I also compared the top level trims of the others. The doors all shut very solidly, and overall each vehicle had a high quality feel to them.
The GMC was right behind, but the interior materials of the Sierra were worse than the Ford's and still better than the Toyota Tundra. For example, the Ford F150 Platinum had leather arm rests, center console, and dashboard, with brushed aluminum accents. All nicely trimmed and solid. The GMC and Toyota either had rubberized surfaces or hard "tinny" sounding plastic to the touch. No comparison in fit and finish. The fake plasticky wood trim on the Sequoia and Tundra creaked and was poorly aligned, and the plastics were all of horrible quality. The cars were the same way.
The GMC had good build quality, but still the materials were a little lacking. That I can live with. Total cheapness, I cannot.
After driving the F150, Tundra, and Sierra, the Ford drove 100x better than any. Smooth, very quiet, and solid feeling. The Tundra was NONE of these. There was even a rattle in the back.
The Cadillacs are definitely world-class vehicles. The quality and solid feel of them are downright amazing, next to only a BMW or Audi, Porsche, etc.
Nissans now are also a plethora of hard seas of plastics and cheap feeling interiors, especially the Titan and new Maxima.
The dealership experiences were pretty mixed. The Toyota dealership was very bad, pushy salesman, trying to coax me into certain deals, kept trying to steer me away to other vehicles, telling me I should only look at a Toyota because that's all I should have to look for in a quality vehicle, etc. Ford dealership was next, still somewhat pushy, but understood that when I said I was JUST LOOKING, I meant it. The salesman did a good job of explaining features, and generally was fairly low key. The GMC experience was very good. The salesman dressed nicely, was not pushy at all, took the time to explain the features, never once tried to make a deal or offer on a truck that I didn't want, was very respectful and even shook my 12 year old son's hand and offered him something to drink. Kudos right there.
Domestic quality has gone way up, while non-Domestic quality has dropped quite severely. From walking around the lot on the Toyota dealership, I'll NEVER buy one now. I won't tolerate the bad build quality and very cheap feeling of them all when there's worlds better out there.
My next truck will be a Ford F150.
Oh, and I currently drive a Nissan Hardbody SE pickup. Great little truck, but the new quality of the Imports has steered me away completely.