30th Jun 2008, 12:36

The excessive tire wear on the Tundras (and most Toyotas) is due to the factory poorly aligning the front ends (and in some cases even the rear alignment is off). This is due to Toyota's hurried and slip-shod manufacturing processes.

30th Jun 2008, 14:27

Consumers gravitate towards quality products. Take a look at market share of the "big 3", and Toyota and Honda over the last 25 years. GM, Ford, Chrysler have never cared what the consumer wants, and it's paying off.

Wave your flags all you want: in a free market economy, the strong win. The domestics are reaping what they sowed, and what they sowed was pitifully designed, engineered, and manufactured vehicles. They can blame themselves for the rise of the Japanese auto companies in the USA.

30th Jun 2008, 16:19

20:28... please go to ConsumerAffairs.com and review about issues that were prevalent on new full size Toyota trucks. I doubt the new Tundra owner drove their brand new vehicle home at night and then overtorqued their 4 brand new wheels, and then bought new brakes and rotors.

The information is from Toyota owners, not the domestic crowd. For some reason you are afraid to acknowledge issues, and just lightly dismiss major issues.

I guess if it were your blown engine or trans gone at 800 miles, or airbag issue or braking failure, you would say at least I do not own a domestic. Amazing logic...

I find it unacceptable. I will never buy another new import after reading all the issues. I might do like you and keep a 13 year or older import, as they were better.

I had 2 new Toyotas myself; Celica GT's bought new, and never one return during the warranty period in the 70's. Why all the issues some 30 years later?... as you read all the ones on ConsumerAffairs.com.

What isn't crap is not being in service departments, and after seeing the Tundra concerns I was enlightened. I suspect the solution is for everyone that needs a full size truck, to buy a small Tacoma instead from this commenter.

30th Jun 2008, 19:56

Due to recent lapses in quality, the Tundra and Camry are no longer recommended by Consumer Reports (last month issue)

30th Jun 2008, 21:40

To 11:44 No. Ford does not and never has outranked Honda in quality. Ford isn't even in the same ballpark as Honda when it comes to reliable engines. Japanese auto manufacturers are still at the top of every review I've read.

Show where you read that Ford outranks Honda. And just because Ford claims in their tv commercials that they are 'as reliable as Toyota' doesn't make it true. It isn't. And never was.

Ford has made some forward progress. They're a little better than the complete garbage that GM is pumping out, and certainly ahead of Dodge's completely ridiculous line of cars, but they're nowhere near the level of a Honda or a Toyota.

1st Jul 2008, 10:24

The Ford Fusion (yes, that is a FORD the last time I looked) outranks EVERY CAR (including Honda) that Consumer Reports has ever reported on in its history. Look it up.

1st Jul 2008, 14:52

If some of you flag-waving domestic folks want to go out and put your trust in a GM or Ford product, then go ahead and be my guest. We who have owned Toyotas for decades with zero problems won't stand in your way.

1st Jul 2008, 16:20

Here's the brief history of automobiles in the U.S.: it started out with the domestics getting big, the BIG 3. They made decent cars in the beginning years. They made money. With no competition in the states, they felt no pressure to improve their product; people had no choice but to buy from them because there was nothing else available. Quality slipped drastically through the 70's, 80's, and '90's.

In the 1970's, Toyota and Honda began selling cars in the United States that were so much better built than any American product that people immediately took notice and started buying them. Through the 80's, 90's, and right up until this day, more and more people are leaving the Big 3 and buying foreign cars, because they last longer, run better, have less trouble... many reasons.

NOW, the Big 3 are beginning to see the error of their ways, and are just beginning to make their stuff a little better. The problem is, it's too little, and way too late. There are millions of loyal Toyota and Honda owners, like myself, who have been driving them for 10-20 years, having practically no trouble at all with them, and will continue to buy them because we know how much better they are than any GM, Ford, or Chevy. And our numbers are growing.

And by 'us', I mean smart consumers. We're not getting burned again by the Big 3. I understand why you domestic owners get all excited. GM and Ford aren't making the complete and total junky, disposable cars they were in the 80's and 90's. They're improving, and you see that. However, they are still miles and miles behind the kind of build quality that Toyota and Honda were holding themselves to almost 30 years ago.

I understand you guys get all excited because a few domestics have gotten decent Consumer Report ratings now. I know the feeling; the difference is, as a Toyota owner, I can look at the ratings over the last 25 years and see my Toyota's right on top, consistently. Not a flash in the pan Ford Fusion or anything. Cars like the Corolla, tried and true for three decades.

Ford always raves about their new cars, then as a few years pass, they end up being recalled nightmares, same as GM's cars. They're all good when they're new. The difference is that Toyota's and Honda's stay 'good' when the GM's and Fords fall apart.

1st Jul 2008, 16:37

I noticed 21:40 conveniently leaving out transmissions in their Honda comment. How about 3 transmissions in a 2002 Honda? And an automatic to boot. GM makes far superior quality my large pickup and SUV have had absolutely no issues. I bought both brand new and know their repair history.

I would not comment ever on a used vehicle on here as who knows if there was neglect, hidden accidents etc etc. that can sway a review. I think a comment should include the year being commented on, and if acquired new, before condemning an entire brand.

1st Jul 2008, 20:08

14:20 Over and over disregarding recent serious issues with Toyota quality and mechanical concerns. Toyota is the best so the dissenter says to us... so here's a way to really test that theory even is its just hypothetical. If you were handed the opportunity to have 3 cars just given to you.... worth any dollar value... you want past or present vehicles (that you could not resell and had to keep) how many would be any Honda or any Toyotas? Think it over, what would you pick? It's just a way to test hearing how they are the best. It would take me days however to select many domestics past or present. Not one choice would even remotely be any Honda or Toyota. It would seem anything that is the so called best would be either without hesitation.

Maybe why that is even more of a consideration when you work and buy a vehicle, to never lose sight of that.