4th Jun 2022, 18:01
17:20 Why drive this so hard? A huge deep grudge. Is this going to change your way of life? If you think imports are American and domestics are imports, it works for you. We are not even acquaintances on here. A random or anonymous view placed to an anonymous reader. I firmly believe people buy what they like to buy with their money. If anything I love hearing issues, major mechanical failures more than a nameplate in a grille. Maybe get petitions to put Made in USA on Hondas, Toyotas, BMW etc in the grille. Not everyone will agree with you. Just a fact of life.
4th Jun 2022, 19:39
Once again regarding the Tundra, it is designed, engineered and built by Toyota, making it a Japanese brand truck. Talk about beating the dead horse, this is going absolutely nowhere.
5th Jun 2022, 20:34
Right. The arguments on here are a bit over the top. BMWs are also sold in the US. That makes them a US brand all of a sudden? The cars that are manufactured in Mexico by US manufacturers are now a Mexican car brand? If HP computers are assembled in China, is HP still an American company or Chinese? The arguments for Toyota being anything other than a Japanese company seem pretty silly.
6th Jun 2022, 20:36
It’s boggles the imagination. It’s a Toyota. If even a single mirror or part is from elsewhere or who put it on, it’s what it is. Let’s please wrap up this merry go round. Let the one guy believe what is real only to him.
6th Jun 2022, 21:33
The complication is that there is some sort of a double standard for perception, because a Ford Sierra was made in Germany and England, by Ford - but it is not, and will never be an American car. So... an HP made in China is American, a BMW made in South Carolina is German, but a Ford Sierra is... American? You will not find a single German, Briton, or anyone in Europe say that it is.
7th Jun 2022, 17:41
Don't muddy the waters by talking about specific models. We're talking about COMPANIES here, not MODELS. Ford is an American company. The fact that it makes MODELS in Europe, for the European market, does not change that.
7th Jun 2022, 18:05
There’s none of that. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. An analogy like Toyota is still an import and is a Japanese brand.
7th Jun 2022, 18:14
An HP manufactured in China is still an American product in my opinion. The development and engineering that went into it happened in the US. The pieces were merely assembled in China. That seems very similar to the automotive case to me. It’s kind of like assembling IKEA furniture at your house. If you assemble the pieces in the US, does that make IKEA a US company? No, the parts & everything about it except the assembly happened outside the US.
7th Jun 2022, 19:54
Ford Sierra; built for Europe by an American car company.
Toyota Tundra; built for North America by a Japanese car company.
8th Jun 2022, 09:53
It’s not complicated at all. I can look at most cars and know if a foreign car. Lastly I pick the car and buy my favorite. It doesn’t get overly cerebral. As I mentioned before, ask for the sales manager in a new car dealership if unsure. Honda, Toyota, Nissan etc if you do not know. They can tell you. Then you know.
8th Jun 2022, 21:47
It wasn't merely assembled in China - it is manufactured there, and it is not manufactured anywhere else in the world, including America.
8th Jun 2022, 21:53
There's nothing muddy about that. The Ford Sierra is not an American car. The Tundra is not a Japanese car. It's a Toyota - but it is not Japanese. Go ask the Japanese in Tokyo themselves. They wouldn't know what it is.
9th Jun 2022, 18:07
Here you go, glad to help.
"The Toyota Tundra is a pickup truck that has been in production in the United States since May 1999. Until this point, pickup trucks have been the primary domain of American automakers. The Tundra, however, is the first North American full-size pickup truck to be assembled and distributed by a Japanese manufacturer."
https://www.carcovers.com/resources/history-of-the-toyota-tundra
10th Jun 2022, 22:19
I think this is the same person who periodically posts different website links on threads around here with questionable credibility in order to try to prove points.
11th Jun 2022, 17:49
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3rd Jun 2022, 17:20
So... what about "American" companies that literally make nothing here? Are these to be treated the same way? None of the major American shoe companies, cell phone companies, computer companies, or clothing companies makes a single thing here. ALL of it is made overseas. And the comments about GM being headquartered in Detroit... Ever been to that city? I have. Take a picture of it and change it to black and white and it looks like the end results in Europe after WW2. GM, Ford, Chrysler - they ALL fled that city and put their manufacturing plants in cheaper areas letting Detroit die off. Doesn't sound that nice to me.
Meanwhile a lot of the Japanese car manufacturers that started making cars in the south came in and poured money into the communities they set their plants up in. They spent money on the local schools, roads, infrastructure, provided well-paying jobs. And unlike the big three, whenever a recession hits what does Toyota do? They keep their employees in the job. Now maybe they will have them do things like paint fences and mow the lawn but they keep them around - which is pretty nice.