23rd Jan 2007, 15:47

8:47...this review is not about SUV's so why drift off topic? Comparing Tundra to strictly truck only competition...Ford F Series... why were there almost 7 times repeat 7 times... more Ford F-Series sold than Tundra in 2006? What a major gap. I maintain the bigger engine, equivalent fuel economy, more towing, people carrying capacity to name a few has more of a bearing in this price range as these vehicles are not inexpensive. In addition Edmunds researches vehicles and calculates True Cost of Ownership... Ford F Series and Silverados come out less to own per mile over 5 years than a Tundra. True cost of ownership is not subjective its factual. It has been very useful to my evaluations when I test drove about everything last year. The closest import I might have considered was the Titan. I feel I am very savvy consumer and believe that you think that full size truck owners are not as smart as they really are. If you feel that domestic owners bought the F Series as it was cheap... I then put the following question out to you... the Toyota Tundra has less performance, towing and people capacity, identical fuel consumption on the highway, less weight so if anything that indicates the Tundra in my opinion is overpriced and its annual sales figures bears this out. If you stick to full size truck comments and quit drifting onto SUV's etc. it may sink in. Anyway statistics show facts... if you want the best value, tough, cost per mile and a great non compromise full size you cannot beat Ford F-Series! The 2007 Silverado is also a very nice truck as well. Again a better value cost per mile than a Tundra...

23rd Jan 2007, 16:57

The Chrysler minivans have long been recognized as the best, most reliable mini vans made. Good friends of ours have owned a total of 4 Dodge Caravans and 1 Chrysler Town and Country. All went well over 200,000 miles with ZERO repairs. That's "unreliable"??? As for the Focus, we owned a 2001 ZX-3 and it never once saw the inside of a service department. If you can't state FACTS, you should refrain from commenting. No domestic car maker builds unreliable cars and hasn't since the 50's. To state otherwise should be backed up with something more than personal bias against America.

24th Jan 2007, 08:30

<<The Chrysler minivans have long been recognized as the best, most reliable mini vans made>.

Sorry, but EVERY rating agency has listed them as used cars to avoid. They have NEVER been reliable vehicles, EVER. Your friends were lucky since everyone I have ever known who had one regretted it like mad.

24th Jan 2007, 08:33

So you are saying the 10 times my Focus was in the shop was an illusion? That when the tow truck driver said it was the FIFTH Focus he had towed that week with the SAME ignition problem was all lies?

People didn't make up "Fix Or Repair Daily" just for fun.

24th Jan 2007, 08:36

Your stories just prove what American cars are all about - no consistent quality. For every one they get right, 10 are wrong.

And this implication that someone is unAmerican for criticizing American cars is pretty low. Bet your Focus was made in Mexico.

24th Jan 2007, 09:04

Guess you'll have to explain why the American auto industry itself admits 1978 was the year they produced the most unreliable cars in their history. And why Consumer Reports is littered with American cars and truck that are "used cars to avoid".

24th Jan 2007, 14:40

To 16:57: In my opinion, ALL domestic automakers build low quality vehicles, (have so for many, many years), and there are DECADES worth of hard evidence to back it up. Only someone who can't read, doesn't read, or chooses to believe only what they want to hear could deny this. MOST people defending GM, Ford, and Dodge on this site fit into that last category.

24th Jan 2007, 16:15

There are more F-150's sold in America last year than any other specific vehicle including automobiles. These comments are facts... your comments are an opinion by yourself. Why do you feel that so few Tundras are sold compared to just Ford alone? Why does the Tundra cost more per mile to own over 5 years at 15,000 miles a year than the #1 seller in the country? The cost to own includes repairs. I would think Toyota Tundras would be a very inexpensive truck to buy being they have less power, less towing capacity, less people carrying potential, smaller fuel tank, less weight, equivalent highway mileage... oops I guess I answered my question. People must see more value with the F-Series. They are such a better value in my opinion and enough to be #1 in the country for a long time. Its tiring hearing that someone owned a truck or some old sedan that broke down 20 years ago... it has absolutely no relevance in 2007. Lets focus on $30,000 plus full size trucks on this conversation... not SUV's, compacts what someone owned in the disco era. My last 2 domestic trucks are not like any previous ones I have owned... more refined in every way. Maybe you should run out tonighgt and buy a couple Tundras every sale is needed to catch up to Ford F models...

24th Jan 2007, 16:33

Oh yes, more factual commentary in the vein of "my Toyota is better, so there!" Totally ignoring all of the personal experiences of people on this very site that have driven domestic vehicles to high mileage with no problems. Just keep telling yourself that domestics are no good. We don't care if you pay more for less. You do make yourself look foolish by bragging about it, though, even if your comment does provide a certain amount of entertainment.

24th Jan 2007, 16:42

If you are going to make such blatant, pointless, and misleading comments such as that, please state your supporting "hard evidence." An example of this evidence would be a reputable information source, or factual numbers.

Those in favor if the domestics have already done that in this particular thread, as well as another. They have also pointed out facts that prove domestic vehicles were reliable in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Now it is your turn to place your researched FACTS in this thread. I don't want to see this comment attacked with more generalizations about "its common sense that Toyota is better" and others like this.

Please reply with your factual supporting evidence.

24th Jan 2007, 19:07

You know, I used to be one of those goofballs that kept chanting to themselves, "Ford bad, Ford bad" at one time, too. Of course, that was because I had never driven one. Then one day I got a job where I drove an F-150 and started watching the odometer tally up the thousands upon thousands of trouble free miles I got out of it, and still am getting out of it. (258,000+ and counting) Then some time later, I got down under the truck and noticed all of the steel that the company put into the structure. Wow, that explains the solid feel of the vehicle. Needless to say, I've had a slight change of heart since then.