28th Jan 2007, 17:27

To 14:11, Toyota's aren't designed to be farm trucks that haul tree trunks and rocks. Maybe your dad made $20,000 dollars driving around with tree trunks and rocks in the back of his truck; somehow I don't often have the need to haul either. I might cut and split the tree trunk and haul a few loads of firewood, but I don't normally put the whole tree in my truck, in which case my Toyota does just fine, and will be running long after your Ford and Chevy, as 99% of all Toyota's do. As I said earlier, please drop the argument about the engines; Toyota engines are simply better, that's all there is to it.

28th Jan 2007, 18:18

As I have said in earlier comments, what is better about the Toyota engine? Is the the rockers? Is it the pistons? Is it the connecting rods between the piston head and the crank shaft? Is it the crank shaft? Is it the valves? Is it the cam shaft? Is it the cam lobes? Is it the timing belt?

I imagine Toyota engines run just fine. I'll give them that. But what's better? What characteristics or components are superior? I know one thing that isn't better, ALUMINUM. Aluminum is great for keeping my Pepsi cool in the refrigerator and it's great for car engines, but work engines? I wouldn't touch one.

You prove my point by saying that you never haul anything with your Toyota, but then you try and say, "Oh I'm sure it would do fine." Ah yes, another conditional statement. I don't have to say, "Oh I'm sure that my C20 WOULD haul 4000lbs with no effort" because it already has. Better yet, "Oh, my F-150 WILL easily last over 250,000 miles." IT ALREADY HAS! I have experience to back my arguments. My opinion does not effect the odometer on my F-150 nor does it effect the heavy-duty re-enforcements on my C20.

I just love your compelling argument. "Toyota makes a better engine and that's all there is to it." or one of those earlier comments stating, "I shouldn't have to argue Honda and Toyota's engines. They're better and that's just common sense." How could anyone argue such concrete evidence? LOL.

Even though the new Silverado has finally taken Honda and Toyota's spots in the truck of the year award. I count that as nothing. I don't go to CNN, Edmunds, or MotorTrend for my data on trucks. I look at them for myself and make my own decisions. I won't let magazines and articles written by yuppies sway my buying.

28th Jan 2007, 19:34

Guess I'm confused since most of these trucks, like SUVs, are used as commuter vehicles just like cars.

28th Jan 2007, 19:39

This argument is 100% invalid due to the fact it depends on which area of the country you are from. Here in California you see a ton of older Japanese trucks and very few older domestic trucks. But in some red state like Texas or Alabama, I'm sure it is reversed.

28th Jan 2007, 21:27

17:27 are you going to be very specific on your comments? You have to be a kid. There are excellent domestic reviewers very knowledgeable on here very detailed and concise. We are all waiting to hear you break down the specific mechanical components on Toyota and compare directly. Over and over and over we keep asking you to be specific. Apparently you are incapable. You are so vague its embarrasing yourself.

29th Jan 2007, 07:05

I think people need some lessons in material science. I will chose Aluminum engine over Iron engine any day in terms of longevity. How many things do you think are made of Iron. Iron is almost useless on its own unless it is alloyed or added to something else because it is vulnerable in the environment. Air plane bodies are made out of aluminum. Aluminum can be as strong and believe me they will last longer than Iron any day. Go Toyota!!! Good Job.

I'm sorry for most of you here that are just looking for something to hang onto, just to save face, claiming that the tundra kicked the Chevy silverado’s A** was better equipped. They tested top of the engines made by both companies so deal with it. Toyota makes better car and Trucks than the Big 3 can ever dream.

29th Jan 2007, 07:20

Oh, and if the older suburbans were SO terrible, how come I can knock it into reverse at 50 mph and have it still run fine, as if nothing ever happened?

Try that with your Toyota, you'd have the transmission scattered all over the highway.

(And NO, I did not purposly shift into reverse, I leaned down and hit the lever with my shoulder)

29th Jan 2007, 09:43

To 1/29, 7:05.

Boy, I wonder why they would make airplane bodies out of a light weight metal like aluminum. Gee, does anyone know why this would be? Are you kidding me?

29th Jan 2007, 10:00

The Toyota WOULDN'T scatter all over the highway. It would take 10 Suburban transmissions and rear differentials to handle the abuse that just ONE Toyota truck will take off road. I used to actually JUMP these trucks; try that with your Suburban.

29th Jan 2007, 13:02

I would expect putting a large airplane propeller on the front of the engine... plus flying at high altitudes in cool air might possible keep the aluminum engine cool. Funny you ask specific components compared to F Series and you talk about airplane engines.

29th Jan 2007, 14:02

Given Lamborghini, Audi, and other high end car makers employ aluminum in their engines, I don't see what the argument is about.

Driving 150+ mph on an autobahn is surely as stressful if not more stressful on an engine than pulling stumps. And cars like the Lamborghini are exclusively built for this purpose.

29th Jan 2007, 14:04

Overheat an aluminum engine ONCE and it becomes useless for anything other than a boat anchor. Overheat a cast-iron, domestic engine until it glows red, let it cool and drive it another 100,000 miles without a hitch. I'll take a REAL engine any day over a "toy" ota "melt-down mill".

29th Jan 2007, 15:23

I am not sure about Iron blocks being able to glow red. I owned a Chevrolet Caprice it either had an aluminum block or Cast Iron (i don't really know) --but after 2 engine blocks cracking due to over heating in 1 year they were deemed useless and had to be replaced... This was back in 1987 when the car was 3 years old... the dealer could not figure out why the engine block was cracking due to heat until the third engine which was because of a faulty cooling fan switch. If indeed it had an iron block---i have proof that you cannot over heat the engine...

29th Jan 2007, 16:48

I had a good friend some years back who REPEATEDLY ran his 318 Dodge V-8 so hot it literally GLOWED, and would finally stop. He'd let the thing cool off, pour some more water in it and roar off into the sunset...AGAIN. No you CAN'T do that sort of thing with ANY newer engine (including most domestics now).