1st Feb 2007, 05:23

It's pretty darn funny that after about 200 comments full of solid, factual reasons as to why the imports are leading the pack, you guys just keep repeating that there are no facts. That's hilarious; I think it's called DENIAL. Or, it's like you're asking, "where's the red ball", and I show you the red ball, but when I put it back in my pocket, you forget, and immediately ask again, "where's the red ball"? I'm literally laughing as I type this. I'm sure a company such as Ford makes great trucks, must be why they lost 13 BILLION dollars in a year. I'll REALLY be laughing if Toyota decides to buy them out. I can't wait to see what you guys will have to say about that. Or maybe you'll all be walking. Ford owners are use to that anyway.

1st Feb 2007, 06:23

What bothers me is the narrow minded generalizations...20:57. There are very intelligent individuals if you expand your net. Maybe its your circle only. If you have a truck you like why not only comment on that then generalize not only on all domestic trucks and then the entire population that drives them. Even though I have owned close to 30 new vehicles most purchased new that I have driven daily that does not qualify to comment on all vehicles. Many I cannot afford new high end domestics so what gives me the right to comment on anything other than my own personal history and driving experience. It's fine having brand loyalty, but you have and cannot comment on all.

1st Feb 2007, 08:06

Solid facts as to why the imports are leading the pack? What pack? Truck sales? 100,000 vs 700,000?

What facts? "Mine's better"?

"They're just better engines and that's all there is to that."?

"I shouldn't have to argue why Honda and Toyota are better, they just are."?

"Fords are crappy."?

"Pipe vs. Rod"?

"Aluminum is a better metal because airplanes use it for skin."?

"I drive my Tundra on the road to work and that's all I do with it and (surprise, surprise) it never gives me trouble."?

Yeah, that's a lot of compelling facts.

1st Feb 2007, 09:04

Yes, Toyota is superior---at making bland, boring, underpowered vehicles with all the appeal of a major kitchen appliance. Kitchen appliances work reliably for years, and then you throw them away and forget about them. Same with Toyota. If you want to drive the equivalent of a toaster, go ahead.

1st Feb 2007, 09:25

How can you not afford a "high end domestic"? You just wait six months until a 2007 used one drops in value 50% and then pick one up for the price of a Civic.

1st Feb 2007, 10:07

523...Having a Toyota nameplate on the front of my truck means nothing. As long as it has the exact same specs as a Ford F Series... if it doesn't there will be 100,000 vehicles at the most sold annually sad...

1st Feb 2007, 11:30

I see, and the F-150 and its stablemates get Prius mileage, right?

1st Feb 2007, 12:53

What are you talking about? That is the EXACT page from the domestic manufacturer playbook, except the part about being reliable.

1st Feb 2007, 13:39

Thank you, 09:04. Even in trying to argue AGAINST Toyota, you make my point. You say they work reliably for years. You are correct. That is, of course, the first and most important issue when considering the purchase of a vehicle. The same can't be said of Ford or Chevy. Maybe the 'excitement' there is in the gamble of wondering whether or not you'll make it through a long trip without a breakdown. Too much excitement for me. I'll stick with my boring, appliance-like Toyota and be confident that I'll make the drive with no trouble. Thanks again.

1st Feb 2007, 14:48

Does anyone get 5:23? I'm thinking the analogy is like a domestic vehicle that you illustrate complete chemical breakdowns on how the ball was produced and superior in every aspect. You then ask the import owner the same question and hes not sure if its round or square. But its better because I say. Like a little kid you have to repeat it over at least 200 times.

1st Feb 2007, 16:55

Here's some more facts for everyone: These come from Car and Driver. These are the ten best cars of 06-07. Toyota Prius, Civic Hybrid, Camry Hybrid, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, Toyota Corolla, Hyundai Accent, Honda Civic, Nissan Versa and Sentra. Guess who didn't make the list. Chevy, Ford and Dodge. Well, maybe Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, and Toyota ALL paid bribes to Car and Driver. So here's another source; Forbes magazine. You know what?, I won't even bother to list the vehicles here, I'll just give you the headline on the article: 'Only nine cars meet the most stringent standards for reliability; and they're all Japanese'. Maybe Japan paid off Forbes magazine TOO? O.K.; here's another source, CNN (who would ever believe a bunch of clowns like the people at CNN, right?)... I'll paraphrase:... Of the top 31 cars, only TWO were made by U.S. based manufacturers;...Fifteen of those 31 were Toyota's... TWENTY TWO of the WORST were American made, and of the worst, only FOUR were Japanese made. Here's some more, the top two trucks on the list of reliable trucks? Honda Ridgeline and Toyota Tundra. Please, just ask me to state more facts, there's a lot more where this came from!

1st Feb 2007, 17:12

OK...

So if they seem to work perfectly and flawlessly in farming and hard working conditions, then why would they break down just driving down the intestate?

Hmmm...seems to be a no brainer doesn't it!

I've actually HAD Toyota vehicle break down on be while on vacation. Whats even better is that it was a sequoia... basically the same thing as the tundra without a bed.

This was the only vehicle that has ever broke down on me, and you guessed it! it was the only TOYOTA too.

1st Feb 2007, 18:27

I fell off my chair laughing after reading comment 20:57!!! How about researching TOYOTA a little?? Like, for instance there are about 200 comments on here listing VERY SPECIFIC, VERY TECHNICAL information CLEARLY SHOWING just how much better Ford trucks are built than the Tundra. There is a website for the excellent film CLEARLY SHOWING how much better Ford trucks are built. There are testimonials on here from hundreds of private owners AND business owners attesting to hundreds of thousands of trouble-free miles from their F-150's and Rangers. There are also HUNDREDS of comments on the Toyota site pointing out Toyota's recent avalanche of problems such as Sticking accelerators, steering defects, bad brakes, non-functioning air bags, faulty suspension parts, peeling paint, oil leaks, coolant leaks and a lot more I'm sure I forget at the moment. I DID do some research before I bought my last truck. That's why I bought a FORD!!

1st Feb 2007, 19:30

13:39 why be so complacent? Theres also no guarantee you will not have problems. Why not buy an exciting new domestic truck with a 100,000 standard warranty instead of 36,000 which is lousy. Even with am outside warranty contract you have a big deductible. My truck has no limitations and I am fully satisfied. Even if I do not utilize its full capacity its easier on the mechanicals, the frame etc. With your logic I would buy a Camry not a truck and a piece of rope to tie the trunk down. I have really increased the value of my home and lawn having a full size domestic truck bringing home rental equipment, building supplies, kitchen cabinets, pavers etc. I would have to pick up the phone and hire a contractor at greater expense if I couldn't use my vehicle thoroughly as a truck... buying these lightweight trucks seem impractical I would not buy one. I would own an economy car and a full size strong domestic V8 truck together and accomplish that better.