3rd Feb 2007, 13:44
Poster 11:37 needs to read more clearly. I never said that the Focus was not on Car and Driver's list in the last century, I said that is was not on the list now.
3rd Feb 2007, 13:52
<<Let me reverse this for you, it's not that all of the domestic trucks are bought for doing work, it's that when any real work is being done, it's being done with a domestic truck.>.
Then your argument 100% fails. The majority of these trucks are bought for ego. Just look at the poster who claims to put 82K miles on his Silverado in 2 years. What "real work" does such commuting involve? You seriously think he's loading up with brick and/or pulling stumps for 40K miles per year? Please. And the funniest part is he has the nerve to degrade the Tundra, a vehicle that does 100% of what he uses a truck for - commuting.
The F-150 is the bestselling vehicle in America. If you can prove to me that 95% of its buyers are doing "real work" with the truck 100% of the time I'll believe your argument. But you can't.
3rd Feb 2007, 14:32
I totally agree! Everybody at my school knows that Toyota is better! All you have to do is watch "2 Fast 2 Furious" to know how great they are. One of my friends said that even Car and Driver says so! Class of 2010 rules!
3rd Feb 2007, 15:31
13:41 probably towing in complete comfort if you can afford it and wish to ride in style... likely towing a throughbred horse, race car, ski boat, pair of jet skis, snowmobiles, street or dirt bikes for starters. I have seen F-250's and 350's with a lot more than what you indicated with my contractor friends. There is also the Silverado Southern Comfort an excellent vehicle to tow your horses or a large travel trailer as well. Worth checking out if you are taking the time to consider buying a very nice truck. Many people need a heavy duty truck that can tow our toys and have plenty of strength and performance. Otherwise you can just buy a car.
3rd Feb 2007, 17:08
This most be no'1 in the 1000 most boring threads ever. For gods sake it's a SUV.
4th Feb 2007, 02:51
My kids absolutely love my Silverado SS. My son the performance...... my daughter the factory sound system. Ask mom and dad when you graduate in 2010 to buy you the Toyota FT-HS tentatively being discussed hopefully 2009-2010. I have no loyalty to any car company I switch back and forth import or domestic. As far as trucks I would only buy a full size domestic however. But I would change that if a hot high performance import model was available that was as well built. Toyota hasn't had a really good sports car since 1997 and the 400 hp FT-HS may well be worth it in the mid thirties. But this review is about comparing full size trucks.
4th Feb 2007, 13:52
Wow. None of this makes sense any more! Toyota is better cuz they sky is blue and the grass is green? What's that? huh?
This is pointless! It's going nowhere. It seems that all that there was to offer has already been.
4th Feb 2007, 14:57
So now we get the heart of the matter. The only thing that makes a "real" truck is its ability to tow things. So if the new Tundra can tow as much weight as a Ford or a Chevy it is, by your definition, a real truck.
5th Feb 2007, 09:41
Sure, the NEW Tundra may be more of a real truck, but the old one? Mmmmmm... not so much.
5th Feb 2007, 16:10
Someone has to say this: did everyone see the GM and Toyota commercials during the Superbowl? Toyota filmed a Tundra pulling 10,000 pounds up what looked like at least a 35 degree slope, and GM showed us an assembly robot dropping a bolt! Even the MACHINES are incompetent there! That was hilarious. Then, they told us that everyone at GM is concerned about quality; and they mention this particular issue because they know that their LACK OF IT is on every person's mind that considers the purchase of a truck, (at least anyone that knows something). That new Tundra is mean looking! I want one.
5th Feb 2007, 16:40
I just looked at the new Tundra, and I have to say I am impressed. It looks like they may have taken a few cues from Ford, though the new Tundra is still a far cry from an F-150 in overall quality. I'd still opt for the Ford, even though I never haul or tow anything. I'm still a little concerned about all the really major problems the Tundra has had and I'd want to be sure the new one has all the safety and reliability glitches worked out. I'm reading too many bad things about major safety issues with the Tundra to feel safe putting my family in one just yet. Several of my family members drive F-150's and they are very reliable and very safe vehicles.
5th Feb 2007, 17:37
LOL that GMC commercial was funny.
It doesn't prove anything, but it was rather cute.
5th Feb 2007, 18:50
I'd be more concerned about the F-150. One poster on the F-150 board stated her husband was killed when the cab of his F-150 broke away from the frame in an accident. The cab rolled and crushed him to death.
5th Feb 2007, 18:52
American manufacturers base their quality on the idea of wishful thinking. Just look at Ford's "Quality is Job 1" campaign and the ultimate loss of $12.7 BILLION last year because of it.
5th Feb 2007, 20:57
Funny that in the bronco section there are 66 reviews and only 12 of those have frowny faces, which is the equivalent to 18%, so 82% are happy with their FORD product. It would also be strange that the broncos and f-150's used the same drive train.
6th Feb 2007, 14:33
The full-size Bronco most certainly DID use the same drive train components and engines (and transmissions) as the F-150. The smaller Bronco II used Ranger components. Both were extremely reliable and ruggedly built.
6th Feb 2007, 19:29
18:52...do you buy a new vehicle on how any billions are earned or loss? Or do you test drive and buy the best handling, performing, optioned out vehicle in the price range you are selecting? I can go out and pay way too much, but make every effort not to do so. That's why I bought a full size domestic 3 years ago kept it and just bought another new one.
6th Feb 2007, 22:11
Of course you buy a car based on the solid nature of the company. A company that is in financial trouble will cut corners during every aspect of the car's manufacture as well as its after sales support. My friend had TWO Ford dealerships close near him during his three year Ford ownership experience. He had to keep taking his car farther and farther away from his home.
Want more proof? Just look at the British auto industry. In 1975 1 in 4 cars sold in the world was British. Now look where they are today and how they got there.
3rd Feb 2007, 13:44
Okay, I'm afraid that these comments reached their high point several pages back. They're just going around in circles with the same old, pointless drivel again. I for one am dropping out because this has gotten too dumb. You guys can waste your time if you want to. In closing, viva le' domestique!