11th Feb 2007, 14:32
Toyota may easily be overtaken down the road if they don't correct their engine problems. The new Camry's are having engine problems like crazy not to mention all of these air-bag, sticking gas petal, and transmission problems that are currently becoming more common. Remember, they are humans and as they grow, they will become more like the big-three with their arrogant corporate corruption. That's why they are having to slow down their growth to stabilize their "quality". Sounds to me like they can't handle the high demand any better than the other companies. Let the Tundra start selling at 700,000+ U.S. in one year and see if everyone of them are made with quality.
11th Feb 2007, 18:11
Well, as a Toyota owner today (and hopefully in the near and far future), we will indeed see how they handle their growth. Only by forgetting everything that got them to the top- (great material, even greater build quality, excellent, well-planned designs) could they possibly go downhill. There's no way they are going to be easily overtaken. You have that one upside down, THEY may take over some other struggling companies that are on a slow, but steady course to bankruptcy (Ford), but for there are NO signs of their going downhill in anyway yet seen. You say that the Camry is having engine problems 'like crazy'? No way. Toyota motors are rock solid. Yeah, we all know nothing is perfect, and I'm sure there might be a few bad ones somewhere in the world, but very, VERY few. Nobody, but Honda makes a 4 or 6 cylinder that is even in the same class. They are the cream of the crop. As are the rest of their cars and trucks.
11th Feb 2007, 19:35
Again...what if you drive this model and do not like how it rides, handles, engine performance and cheap interior? Are you supposed to buy it anyway? No one seems to ever be able to answer this other than myself. Doesn't work that way for me. I have owned many imports-domestics and they have to pass my test drive every 2-3 years or I am not buying. Again drive a new fully loaded domestic full size truck and then this. What am I missing? I know they missed a nice sale with me... I give them a bit of credit with the new Supra replacement concept for 2009-2010. If it is as nice as it looks I may return to Toyota again for my next sports car. The rest of the models have zero appeal for me... The only full size truck to buy is a Ford or GM in my opinion... no comparison...drive a 2007 and then comment. If you are riding in around in 99's or older whats the point in commenting........I liked imports til then myself but too much has changed. They dropped in quality and domestics got me back.
11th Feb 2007, 19:42
You stated that the new and OLD Tundra embarrassed the F-150 in every possible way!? REALLY NOW? You mean by having every single working component that made up its existance being weaker and of lesser quality? I'll give you ONE thing, the NEW Tundra can actually hold a chance against the domestic trucks, but there is one major thing they are lacking, A DIESEL. NOPE! not yet... let me ask you one thing, what parts of the ORIGINAL Tundra fully embarrassed the F-150? If you would like a breath of what the F-150 has to offer, here you go. A post from another review:
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"Tell me. Is the Tundra's little, thin frame superior to the F150's thick, fully boxed frame?
Is the Tundra's three or four thin cross-members superior to the F150's large and bulky cross-members which are welded through the sides of the frame rail? (This ensures that there is very little frame twist and flex. These trucks are solid over bumps.)
Is the Tundra's three 2.5" leaf springs superior to the F150's 3.0" wide leaf springs which can come between 3 or more amounts of springs per assembly?
Is the Tundra's skinny little front control arms superior to the F150's bulky, re-enforced control arms?
Is the Tundra's axle shafts (which are about the size of an average thumb) superior to the F150's axle shafts (which are about the size of an average wrist)?
Is the Tundra's "silky smoooooooth" engine with its aluminum components superior to the F150's cast iron engines?
Oh, but of course the Tundra rides smooooooooth. Whooooopee!
Oh, but of course the interior is soooooo pretty and luxerious. Whooooopee!
Yeah, that's what hard workers like Farmer's, construction workers, and contractors are all looking for when shopping for a truck: a smooth ride and a comfortable interior. Heaven knows they're not all looking for a heavy metal machine that can handle lots of abuse. Who needs that?
Now is the Tundra infinitely better? It sure isn't when people actually try to do work with them."
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SO, now that seeing MY post here was factual, and YOURS wasn't, would you like to for once offer factual information and parts to put the F-150 to shame? And I would like not to hear of Toyota's superior build quality that magically makes every single component stronger and better.
11th Feb 2007, 22:20
HELLO AGAIN!
I MADE THIS COMMENT A WHILE BACK!
Well I came back here to report on our little challenge. My Ford just overheated, and the engine came to a grinding halt yesterday, and I had it towed back to my house. This morning, I went outside to start it, and low and behold, it STARTED! Second try, but damn it, it started! The truck is most likely done for, considering it is blowing the blue-est of blue exhaust, as well as oil all over the engine compartment. BUT, I drove it for most of the day today in the mountains, and it didn't die. It has gone 46,337 since the beginning of the test. My friends Chevy died 6 days ago with a loud bang, popping, clattering, shuddering, and steam, along with a screeching halt. It, unfortunately, hasn't restarted yet. Of course, I wouldn't blame it considering the block is cracked, and oil was leaking out of it.
12th Feb 2007, 00:44
Regarding the Toyota poster (s), I've said it once and I'll say it again: these folks are upset that they paid a premium for a name, not the substance of their vehicle. When domestic defenders supply valid, concrete evidence to the technical superiority of domestic trucks, there's going to be a backlash. The personal examples that they offer are only nails in the coffin Toyota will be buried in when it comes to the truck sector (if their new Tundra doesn't cut it).
This is what it boils down to...really. If you paid more than you should because you failed to research a vehicle or were taken by a company's marketing machine, wouldn't you be mad? When they have no evidence to counter-argue with the domestic fans, they get even more defensive. I'm not excusing their irrational or childish behavior, but it does explain their frustration, I think. I suspect that they're really more upset at themselves than anything or anyone else. It's okay, Toyota fans. Just let it go.
11th Feb 2007, 12:09
"Toyota has made quality vehicles since day one, their massive growth reflects it. "
This is hardly the case. When the first Toyotas, Hondas, and Datsuns hit the shores of California in the mid and late 1970's, they were hardly top-flight. They carved their niche in the marketplace based on low price and higher gas mileage, but they were not known as especially reliable cars. Nor were they known as comfortable, stylish, or powerful. To their credit, they did innovate and work to increase their reliability in a serious way to bolster their reputation. They have worked their way up from the bottom.