14th Feb 2007, 07:38
Well that's fine, you couldn't pay me to swap my work F-150 or my Chevy for a futile Toyota. They are at least able to do work instead of just being treated like a car. As far as positive Tundra reviews being attacked, there are Ford and Chevy reviews on this site where a Toyota lover, without being provoked, puts in his input bashing domestics. It goes both ways.
14th Feb 2007, 13:23
I live in the northeast just had a large ice storm. The majority of all trucks I have seen today are F Series and Silverados 4wd carrying salt/sanders and plows on the front. Not one Tundra to be seen. I have never seen one with a plow. And I live in a heavily populated city. Lets focus on practical fully usable full size trucks... and no Tercels.
14th Feb 2007, 13:25
In response to comment 12:18: No, the rather clueless lady with the Torino didn't gripe about her engine seizing after 54,000 miles without checking her oil. She just traded it for another Ford and learned her lesson about service requirements!! Of course, I'm sure her import owning friends all ranted to her about how it would have gone 500,000 miles without oil if it had been a Toyota.
14th Feb 2007, 14:02
To 7:38.
I've been on some of those boards and read ridiculous claims from both domestic and foreign owners, like how one guy states Jesus would drive his American truck. But according to you everyone is supposed to just agree with such claims.
14th Feb 2007, 15:47
To 12:26; yeah, I DO expect my old, beat up trucks with over 250,000 to start and perform like new; that's why I drive Toyota's. They are capable of this, whereas the domestics aren't. That's the difference between the two; one WILL run well after 200 or 250 thousand miles (Toyota), and the rest (little 3) probably won't be running at all, and will have taken up residence in a scrapyard long before then.
Sorry if your domestics can't do that. At least 99 out of 100 won't. To be fair, a couple of domestic trucks have done it often: Dodge's 318 has been an excellent engine. Ford and Chevy though? Don't make me laugh. O.k., MAYBE some of the Ford diesels. But an F-150 or a Silverado? Junk, and junk. Always have been.
14th Feb 2007, 17:48
I agree about the overzealous Jesus comment. One comment can actually destroy credibility, but not here.
There are too many reasons to buy a domestic. Better load carrying, people carrying, towing capacity, better warranty, better cost per mile to own, equivalent highway mileage with a bigger more powerful engine and this is just on the F Series.
I do not drive a stock portfolio, or plant restructuring, or a vehicle based on politics. I drive a vehicle that I test drove thoroughly,did research and tested all full sizes not pulling into one car co. and being naive. I buy a vehicle with features and one that performs and is less expensive to own and drive over a 5 year period.
Apparently there are highly detailed technical comparisons such as this by many domestic owners. If you read carefully you see these detailed technical specs. Apparently this logic translates into sales as the majority of full size truck owners in American want solidified reasons and want a fully usable vehicle. I have yet to hear anything other than compromises with import owners.
It makes more sense to own a car if you cannot use a full size pickups capabilities. If you want to carry 3 or 4 bags of mulch it seems more plausible to go entirely with a economy car and tie down the trunk lid...
15th Feb 2007, 19:57
The Toyota trucks that run well after 250,000 miles are the ones that are driven as cars and not used for work. (Ex. Those puny little corolla's with beds from the 70's) There are plenty of domestic trucks that have lived a life of work and have that many miles on them. As far as old reliable Chevy and Ford engines, how about the Chevy 350, 305, 308, 327 or Ford 460? I would imagine you've never owned one so you wouldn't know how reliable they are. I also would imagine that your reliable Toyota truck was never really used for anything more than hauling gravel, spinning tires in mud, or being driven as a car. If you would ever bother to haul hay, pull 8000 lb fertilizer buggies, pull round-hay bailers, pull wagons with mowing machines on them, haul two or three tons of tobacco, plow snow, spread salt/sand, haul a ton of maple wood, or anything else worth having a truck on a daily basis, the pop-can engine would be smoldering by now and the chassis would be shot. Of course, like I said before, you will never do anything like this with your Toyota, so you will never understand the difference. Honestly, we are really going around in circles here.
16th Feb 2007, 12:44
Well, you must live in a parallel universe or something, because EVERY Toyota truck that I've owned, and many others that friends and family owned ALL have gotten pretty much as many miles on them as we've cared to keep them for. They pretty much will run for as long as you decide to keep them. Ford, Chevy, and Dodge DO NOT 'routinely' get 300,000 miles unless it's had AT LEAST one rebuild. Wishful thinking doesn't make it true.
16th Feb 2007, 22:36
Something that drives me crazy is these new Tundra commercials. Now that a Toyota can actually manage to pull something that's 10,000lbs, they must really be impressed with themselves, so they have to repeat it over and over. I wonder why Chevy, Ford, and Dodge don't stress their towing capabilities so much? Probably because they've been able to pull 10,000+lbs for decades. I guess they don't see it as such a big deal, for them it's a given. I know when my Dad used his old Fords or his Chevy to pull anything that heavy, it wasn't a big deal to us, it was just another day. We were used to using our trucks for these purposes. Another thing that is kind of interesting is how Toyota keeps stressing their over-sized brakes. I guess they are aware of all of the warping brake rotors from this last design and are wanting to emphasize that they have fixed the problem for this new truck. I guess we'll see. As I had anticipated when this design came out, the pay-load numbers are only 1700lbs. That's not a very good number when the top F-150 can haul 3000lbs in its bed and a Chevy can haul over 2000lbs in its bed. As I suspected, that just shows that Toyota is still too concerned about refinement in their ride and not capability. They really need to add the option of adding more leaf springs.
13th Feb 2007, 18:12
15:59...lets use the word comparison. If you are shopping for a Tundra it makes sense to compare it to all vehicles in its class import and domestics. Cost per mile, features, benefits etc. test drive and then buy. Maybe when you shopped for your Tercel at the time you stopped by and looked at a comparable Civic as well. I doubt you test drove a Tercel and then suddenly realized you had not test driven a full size V8 pickup yet. Somehow in my mind a very small economy car buyer does not choose that vs. a bigger full size V8 truck. But maybe that is how your mind operates and more power to you. Even if it is the same mfr. it just seems its just an entirely different application.