3rd Apr 2007, 12:46

Even if Tundra came out with a powerful motor, you are still faced with much smaller frame members, axle shafts, springs and lots of other components that render the Tundra insufficient for use as a full-size truck. Not to mention the major safety problems, suspension problems, transmission problems, brake problems, steering problems and overheating problems. I'll stick with a Silverado or F-150. They are better suited to towing and real hauling.

4th Apr 2007, 11:47

12:31 Yeah, I own a Toyota, my third one.

I'm glad you decided to agree with me after I pointed out the obvious: the 318 is an obsolete engine. You said it yourself.

So, what's your argument again? Do you know what 'obsolete' means? It means it's useless because it's been replaced with something better. It is possible to get high mileage out of a 318, but WHY would you want to? The gas mileage sucks, and you don't even get that much horsepower or torque out of them.

What do you want me to tell you about my v-6 Tacoma? It's my third Toyota, I've driven nothing but Toyota's for the last 16 years, and NEVER have I replaced ANYTHING but tires and one battery.

They all got WAY better gas mileage than your 318, in fact, my Tercel probably got almost three times the mileage to a gallon of gas as your Dodge does, or ever did. So, remind me why I would want to go broke driving a Dodge, again?

5th Apr 2007, 05:31

How about the new Ford F450...24,500 tow capacity. Does Tundra have a real truck that compares to that? All businesslike?

5th Apr 2007, 08:15

Kind of fishy that every 318 or any Dodge for that matter on this site has 300,000 miles? Must be just one reviewer on here or something?

5th Apr 2007, 18:54

While we're at it. Why don't we compare the Tundra to a Mack DM. Get real guys...

5th Apr 2007, 21:17

Wrong again. If the same 318 has been running for 25 years, it obviously has not received any updates. How would you update an existing 25-year-old engine, with a magic wand? Obviously you do not understand the difference between obsolete and old.

Still waiting to see your 22-year-old Toyota. Your brilliant argument that you have had to own three Toyotas in the same time that I have owned the same Dodge clearly proves that an old Dodge 318 will outlast any Toyota. Or any three Toyotas, in your case.

You're complaining about "going broke" buying gas for a 318, and meanwhile you've had to buy three different cars! Seems clear which vehicle is more reliable. To everyone except you, that is.

6th Apr 2007, 04:46

21:17, No, I think that it's also clear to the majority of the public that Toyota always has been more reliable than Dodge, which is why Toyota sells more vehicles than Dodge, and receives higher reliability ratings from any magazine out there. Car and Driver, Road and Track, Consumer Reports, and Edmunds to name just a few.

No, I haven't driven my Toyota for 22 years, because 22 years ago, I was 11 years old (I still think that at 11 though, I would have been smart enough to buy a Toyota before a Dodge).

Take a look at Consumer Reports' list of used cars to stay away from. It's FILLED with Ford's and Dodge's, and almost no Toyota's. Or are you one of those people that thinks that all of those magazines are biased, or that they don't know what they're talking about?

And by the way, my grandfather's 6-cylinder Camry could easily smoke your old 318 from light to light. I'm sure your truck would burn a lot more gas and oil, and make a lot more noise, but would still lose. It's called progress, and better technology.

6th Apr 2007, 05:02

Yeah, they picked a number and I guess 300,000 sounded good in their heads. Probably most of these Dodge's have 150,000 or less on them and sound like they're full of sheet metal screws. That is, if the transmission goes that far. I have noticed these mileage stories creeping upwards slowly. It's like, they said, 'Well I'm going to make up a story, but 400,000 sounds completely unbelievable, so I'll just type 300,000'. Sorry, nobody's buying that either.

6th Apr 2007, 06:39

Not really. The 318 is one of the most reliable engines ever made. If you don't believe these comments, just surf the web for 318 information and you'll see that there's nothing uncommon or fishy about high mileage 318's. This guy who keeps saying they are junk has almost certainly never owned one, or just hates Dodge, or something.

6th Apr 2007, 10:02

Please explain the unit sales of such a vehicle. Sorry, but Toyota is going for the MASS market.

7th Apr 2007, 22:10

So someone wants actual mileage on a Toyota engine. Fine by me, I have a 1986 Toyota Corolla 4 door 4cylinder 5 speed manual, which I bought used in 1993. I currently use it as a back and forth work car, I see no reason to rack up miles on my other vehicles. When I bought the car it had around 113,000 miles on it. Currently it has 618,561 miles on it. So what have I replaced? Well not a whole lot shocks, brake pads and rotors, belts and hoses, water pump, fuel pump, fuel filter, air filters, and I did replace all the gaskets around 400,000 miles.

In the time that I have owned this car I have also owned, a 1997 Chevy Blazer with the vortec engine. I bought it new and had nothing, but engine problems. I ended up trading it in after 80,000 miles when the heater core went out.

I had a 1992 Chevy Camaro I bought used in 1995, not a bad little sports car. No real complains about it.

I had a 1997 Ford Expedition that I got the lemon law on after 4 months, I didn't even put 1500 miles on it. The transmission kept failing, after the third time they replaced it I didn't even get off the lot before it locked up. Don't even get me started on the troubles that the Ford dealership gave me before my lawyer finally got them to return my money.

I currently have a 2000 Toyota Tacoma v6 4x4 with 215,000 miles on it, that I bought used in 2003. I use it for working on my house and towing my bass boat to the lake. No real problems or engine parts replaced.

And I have a 2005 Toyota 4runner V6 which is my current family hauling vehicle. Nothing wrong with it.

8th Apr 2007, 06:07

10:02...mass market... like a metro bus for the masses will get you to point A to point B. However, I like to see more innovative advances, designs, performance,power, handling, fun to drive factor, and true cost to own, warranty etc. in my vehicles. By the way Ford F Series has historically for many years been the number one selling vehicle in America. Camry in the third position.

8th Apr 2007, 09:02

410,000 on that Dodge with no repairs, huh? Maybe next comment it will creep up to 450,000? Pretty funny. They EASILY go 300-400,000? Hilarious.

Well, you can come over to my house, we'll get in my Toyota that REALLY hasn't had any repairs, and we'll drive over to visit a friend of mine named Paul who has a '95 Ram with a 318. Coming back from Canada, we broke down because his fuel pump went out at about 100,000. Dead in the water. Luckily, we were within a few miles of home, so my Toyota got us ALL THE WAY back together. Shortly after that $400.00 fix, which involves dropping the gas tank on that piece of crap truck, his U-joints fell out. ALL the way out, on the ground. Then his water pump went. Not too much later, he had to replace an exhaust manifold, too. Oh, and by the way, he has another 1970-something Dodge car (looks like a pontoon boat) that sits next to his garage with a blown-up 318 in it. He finally sold that car to somebody for $150.00.

Oh, another thing. My Toyota is a '98, his Dodge is a '95, both used in the same climate, and all of his paint is peeling off while mine looks like new with a coat of wax, and his quarter panels are orange with rust, while my truck has no rust at all. Not a speck. And he just happens to work in the body shop of a garage, or he did at least. So, he's doing what he can to keep it in one piece, but it's not working. Meanwhile, I have no idea how to do body work, and don't need to, because my truck doesn't rust, or at least hasn't started to yet. Maybe if I stop washing it, it'll look like his by the year 2035.

And did I mention that his 318 is barely faster than my v-6 Tacoma (both trucks are 4wd standard shift), yet I get about 19-23 mpg everywhere, and he gets around 12-17 mpg? And my truck (only a few years newer) is worth TWICE what his is worth?

Let's see...also, he has replaced his exhaust from the converter back twice, I've never really looked closely at mine; it's solid. His fell off twice. The interior of his looks like garbage, the dash cracks, the rubber steering wheel disintegrated, and the seats are ripped. Mine looks older, but is in one piece, no dash cracks, and we both treat our interiors with Armor-all.

I'm sure I could keep writing about more repairs I've seen him do if I thought about it a little more, but I'm sure I've made my point. I'll gladly stick with Toyota, for obvious reasons.