14th Jan 2007, 12:25
Toyota trucks are still worlds better than Fords. Sorry to be repetitive, but I'm just stating the facts again.
I wish we'd had Toyota's on our farm, would've saved some of the guys in my family some headaches. But then again, most of them have realized this fact and gone ahead and bought Toyota trucks. Seems to me that they do the same work as they used to, but don't have to work on Fords and Chevy's anymore. And your idea of what a "reasonable" person would think carries no weight with me. And your endless argument about 'frames' is pointless. You could load either truck with lead bricks until the tires, shocks, and spring were all broken, and either frame would do the job without flinching. When your Ford breaks down soon, you can sit there and look at your precious frame until the sun goes down; I'll still be driving a truck that runs.
14th Jan 2007, 13:57
Yes Toyota quality, like the quality of the spastic robot that spot welds panels in some of the new cars. Yes this is quality. It takes them a month to fix this machine in the mean time, thousands of parts flow right on through. Yes this stinks of quality doesn't it?
Also the workers get blamed for some defective parts. How stupid are the managers if they can't figure that many of the workers are busting their butts to compensate for these incompetent robots. They are maxed out trying to meet the quota for each day. It's kind of hard to be as thorough in your checks on each part when you are wearing yourself out just making these parts. I know because I work for them.
Also they can't seem to grasp the fact that an efficiently timed line will allow for the max in quality and quantity. When I first began working for them I was determined to be as good as I could I was running a line in no time. I worked hard and I worked through several of my breaks and I didn't mind. After working for them for several months, I saw a pattern that could lead to the demise of this company. In as far as they don't spend enough on basic up keep on equipment.
Yes the same corporate greed that has plagued GM and other companies has arrived here. It is like they don't realize that one has to re-invest in the company to keep it alive. The worst part of all this is they continue to blame the worker for their flaws. This will end them because it gives them license to continue on the course and allows the situation to grow year by year un-ckecked.
Also I have read that they claimed to re-double their efforts on quality, and slow growth to help in this. Well, really why does it seem as though they are pressing the accelerator even further.
My guess is they lied and that they will continue to lie till the customer demands otherwise. Fine by me, let them continue on their course. I'll jump ship and watch far off because I've tried my best and they gave me their worst, and blamed me for it. Enough I say. While the weight of these issues sink them like the water filling the Titanic, compartment after compartment, I will watch afar off. Should be a heck of a show.
14th Jan 2007, 17:41
12:25...if you grew up on a farm... a 4wd with heavy duty suspension, frame and powerful engine are mandatory and very important. I cannot imagine towing heavy equipment,pulling multiple size trailers and at times actually many times overloading the bed. At least an F-250 equal. How is the truck plowing in the winter?...my family only has a 1/4 mile driveway to plow, plus it has a grade. Doesn't seem likely or at all practical to overlook having a fully usable vehicle that you depend on.
14th Jan 2007, 18:37
A person that grew up on or anywhere near a farm would know that you DON'T plow driveways with a pickup truck when you have TRACTORS available. I suppose you guys pulled a baler and a wagon around the field with an F-150? Nice try. And like I said earlier, if you find a task that a Tundra can't handle, then you shouldn't be using ANY pickup of that size to attempt it. And please don't try and compare a Tundra to an F-350 or something larger; they are different sizes of vehicles built for different uses. I'm sure if the people at Toyota wanted to build a truck that size, then it would outperform the Fords just like their smaller trucks already do.
14th Jan 2007, 20:32
I have seen Ford Festiva's with plows bolted on the front of them. I have also seen Jeep Wrangler's with plows too.
14th Jan 2007, 20:48
12th Jan 2007, 10:49. I love that comment! Its hilarious! Can anyone really think that somehow the movie was "biased?" How can you bias a piece by piece inspection and comparison? You can't! And the comment stating that Ford issued the video because they had something to hide is also funny.
Wow...it seems as the Toyota peeps are getting a little bit desperate! Give it up guys, you HAVE NO SUPPORTING FACTS as to why a Toyota truck is superior other than the usual "its better because it's a Toyota and its mine!" Simple as that!
14th Jan 2007, 20:58
Uhh...has anyone looked at all the little blue frownie faces in the Tundra reviews?? Obviously some Tundra owners aren't exactly jumping for joy over their trucks "high quality". As for real work trucks, the Tundra isn't one.
15th Jan 2007, 05:22
Wow we have large farms using only Festivas and Tacomas whats next? Maybe it's a Koi farm. Were not in the suburbs now,
15th Jan 2007, 06:14
There are many more blue faces in the Ford section of this site, (by percentage) than there are in the Toyota section, so I guess Ford owners are a lot less content with there vehicles than Toyota owners. No surprise there. Also no proof offered by Ford owners as to why they imagine that their trucks are in any way better than a Toyota. Lots of long-winded comments, still no proof, (well, to be fair, there IS none, so I guess that explains the lack of it).
15th Jan 2007, 08:58
Never said the Tundra was superior, just that if you're using a corporate video as evidence to back up your statements you are deluding yourself.
Toyota has truly become an American company because now it is fat and lazy and building poor quality vehicles (in America - my Scion had zero problems). It claims to be rectifying it, but we'll see.
Any vehicle built in America is suspect.
15th Jan 2007, 12:01
No PROOF?? How about watching the video referred to in NUMEROUS comments on this review. Denial of facts seems to be a common trait among import fans.
13th Jan 2007, 18:04
Comment 16:44 is rather ironic, since it is referring to a comment from a TOYOTA owner who only got 24,000 miles out of a TUNDRA before it totally disintegrated!!