6th Dec 2008, 07:48

The GM Silverado has far better handling and ride if you have compared the newest full sizes. I have test driven both. New Tundras can go faster light to light in stock form. I have done light mods and new Borla aftermarket exhaust to further increase GM's performance however. Better handling, ride, comfort, room and warranty outsold the Tundra in our home.

6th Dec 2008, 13:23

Not sure what people mean when they say the Tundra can't haul or be used as a work truck. My Dad is a general contractor, has the first generation Tundra, which is even smaller than the current generation. He uses it for everything he used his older F-250 for, not to mention haul his boat and 25 foot camper. We used it for a weekend to haul rocks. Just loaded the bed as far as it would go and took off. The truck never sagged or nothing.

The ride is better because the suspension is better refined. It also rides better because the engine runs smoother and is more responsive. What's more, the truck has 220,000 miles and going strong. Knock it if you want, but it does the job well, and has so far been incredibly reliable.

6th Dec 2008, 17:30

I have not owned a Tundra. I did test drive a new 2008 just to see how they felt. Nothing about the truck impresses me. The styling is ugly, the ride is pretty harsh and choppy and the interior looks like a 20-year-old Yugo compared to an F-150.

We do have friends who bought the earlier, really flimsy Tundras and they have had suspension, steering, brake and engine issues before 50,000 miles. Although the new larger Tundra copies a lot more from our excellent domestic designs, they are still no match for a real truck like a Silverado, F-150 or Ram.

7th Dec 2008, 08:17

13:23 first generation truck comments are fine, but test 2008-09's, drive them all and compare. Also depends on applications... I have carried up to a ton in my domestic and tow heavily... even if I only utilize a portion of its capabilities, it's not strained to the maximum. I am also impressed with MPG of newest models, even the V8's.

7th Dec 2008, 16:11

Your dad bought a 3/4 ton Ford F-250 most likely to tow the 25 ft camper. The Tundra is 1/2 ton... I would have bought a new domestic 3/4 ton again as well.

8th Dec 2008, 20:45

17:30 A REAL truck huh?? Like a Ford? There's a Ford lot close to my home that's offering what amounts to a "buy one get one free" (on TRUCKS!) offer. Wow. NOBODY must be buying those pieces of crap.

This whole domestic/import debate has gotten downright funny since Toyota HAS been wiping the floor with them for years, and now the domestics are a week away from bankruptcy.

The comments by Ford and GM fans sure have gotten desperate and funny. Glad to see the Dodge dealership nearest my house closed down and reopened as a Honda dealership. At least now there'll hopefully be less broken down Chryslers on the road in my town.

Of course, the garages will suffer due to lack of business once the Honda's start selling and nobody has to bring them in for the first quarter million miles. I get a kick out of this stuff.

You couldn't sell me a Ford, Dodge, or GM car or truck for $100 right now, which is about all they're worth in the first place.

9th Dec 2008, 13:24

With only Tundras available as contractor service vehicles, most companies would soon go under. No company can AFFORD the constant repairs required by flimsy Japanese vehicles under real work conditions.

Our two companies have used vans and trucks from the Big Three since the late 80's. It is not at all uncommon to get 300,000 miles out of these vehicles, especially the Ford Rangers. Some of the service fleet vehicles are 1993 models or earlier. That is not possible with all the engine, brake, suspension and frame issues Tundras have.

9th Dec 2008, 20:15

This is about full size trucks, and the fact remains that for over 20 years the number one selling vehicle in America has been Ford F Series not cars. In addition, over 7 times more Ford F Series have been sold than Tundra recently.

If you want to buy a little Honda truck, that's fine. But its not even in this category. If you are looking at production figures lately, and with the high price of gas, the small economy cars are up. But if you look at $, there's a lot of us that have spent on one vehicle 2 to 2 1/2 times what a single little car amounts to.

I would rather see the actual limitations discussed on small trucks on a large truck review. Save a few bucks on the pump being cheap and not being able to have the utility of a full size truck is false economy.

I'd also not like to drop my rear and transmission with undersized, limited tow safety. Why do people buy full size trucks when gas is higher this year? Most likely over applications and Honda trucks on car frames are not applicable. Car analogies do not work on a full size truck review either.

10th Dec 2008, 13:12

I love fun with stats, you can change them to fit your point of view. What you seem to have left out in your statement is that the Ford F-series includes more than one class of truck, even the commercial trucks fall under this heading. Perhaps you can find a direct comparison of the # of F-150's to Tundra's sold and try to filter out the fleet contract vehicles, as they tend to skew the data.

10th Dec 2008, 16:58

13:12... so lets review 3/4 ton trucks, either gas or diesel, that Toyota can offer. It's not getting exotic here. 1/2 ton Tundras sales are small and even less lately. The best way is to test drive them. Cover the nameplate and compare function and utility... unless your criteria for buying a full size truck differs.

10th Dec 2008, 21:42

13:12... 2007 Tundra sales volume were 196,555. Ford F-150 were 690,589 in 2007. There are those that also buy F-250 models that I would not consider commercial customers that have a lot of good applications for 3/4 ton pickups. I cannot own a new 1 ton with the deed restrictions in my specific community, but fortunately can have a new 3/4 ton.

10th Dec 2008, 22:04

The funny part is, regardless of how many F-150's Ford has sold, they're still garbage when compared to any Toyota truck.

Here's Ford's latest scam... buy a $35,000 truck, and get a Ford Focus for free! The problem is, they put about a $14,000 mark-up on the truck, and Focus is worth about $8000 really. So... they sell you TWO pieces of junk instead of just one, make $6000.

Of course, people smart enough to not fall for this are buying Toyota's anyway...

11th Dec 2008, 09:54

It IS the F-150 (not the entire F-series) that is (and has been for THREE DECADES) the world's best selling truck. It is the F-150, not the entire F-series line, that has bested the rather pathetic Tundra 7 to 1 in sales.

Have all the "fun" you want to trying to discredit the world's best selling vehicle for 30 years, but the real laughs come in trying to compare the problem plagued Tundra with it. I guess that's why USA Today reported yesterday (December 10, 2008) that Ford sales were down by a LESSER amount than all Japanese vehicles except Subaru (which only sells a handful here anyway).