9th Jun 2011, 13:57

Not a shred of evidence? Please. The only reason this argument exists is because Toyota, Honda, and Nissan came to the US in the 70's and built a consumer base due to now-universally renown quality and reliability. It's not just in the US, in Europe, Asia and the Americas their products receive very high marks. Those are the facts. The entire time I was growing up in the 80's and 90's and even for the most part today Toyota, Honda, and Nissan have received overwhelmingly high marks in quality and reliability. Why even go there? Everyone knows Toyota makes a good product.

Lastly - AGAIN: THE ONLY REASON TOYOTA, HONDA, AND NISSAN HAD LOW SALES IN MAY WAS BECAUSE OF A TSUNAMI. Get it? It's not because suddenly people had a change of heart. So we can put that notion to rest now.

Those that keep going on and on about "Superior" domestic products lost the argument years ago, and what's more - even they know it. All anyone has to do is simply pull up reviews from just about any domestic car on this and other site, and count the number of dissatisfied customers. If they really and truly made such "superior" "Award-Winning" products, then how come such a huge number of reviews for them are negative? There's the proof of reality.

10th Jun 2011, 09:31

I just looked at J.D. Powers site. Which car scores the highest marks? LEXUS STILL!! Nothing has changed since I looked at their ratings some months ago. This is the initial quality survey everyone seems so hung up on. Not one other car line has perfect scores. Acura is the closest second, not Ford, not GM. However, upon looking at all of their ratings, Lexus seems to dominate over anything domestic in every category of their ratings charts. Acura is a close second. Porsche dominates one list, which is performance and design... no surprise there.... and still an import!

Domestics are pretty much middle of the road overall. Nothing stands out. You see these surveys are based on perceptions, and yes some experiences. Toyota is focused on mainly because of media hype, therefore people tend to downgrade them. In reality, Toyota is much higher quality in my experience than any domestic vehicles produced outside of the Corvette or the Viper. We know how to build a good specialty car and a good truck, but mainstream autos?? Not so much!

I will say this again as you seem to not understand me. I have been driving for 26 years. In my 26 years of driving, I have had many imports and domestics. My imports have never failed me or cost me anything extra to own, other than routine maintenance. My domestics have always been problematic, other than one Chevy I bought and owned for about 32K miles of its life. Do I really care what ratings companies tell me about the highest rated cars? I don't, even though imports continue to dominate their lists. You fail to see it that way, but facts are facts if you look on the site. It is an argument that is old and tired, yet it continues to go on and on. Just drive your Chevy or Ford and leave me to my Toyota's, Honda's, and Subaru's. If one of them should ever fail me, I will be sure to post about it on here. So far, I've got nothing to say about import failures.

Please provide a link the information you are basing your claims on from JD Powers. I can't seem to find anything. Maybe your data was from 2008? Hmmmmm...

10th Jun 2011, 09:33

Sales have less to do with quality, and more to do with the best deal in this economy. GM and Ford offer up better rebates to unload their cars than Toyota and Honda do. That surely doesn't make them the better vehicles though. Level the playing field and offer the same deals on both import and domestic vehicles, and then see who is outselling who.