30th Oct 2024, 19:45

Excellent points, it's a crazy world we live in now.

30th Oct 2024, 21:28

Or, you could hit two birds with one stone. Buy them a used Bimmer... but make them insure it themselves. At 17. Teach them that there is a price to be paid for owning even a humble one, and that there is a very expensive practical reason why Vauxhalls or Renaults are everywhere. And why posh brands can be bought cheap. That's not even getting into repairs and maintenance.